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Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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Re: Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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The single largest thing we can do is undo the changes to bankruptcy law signed in 2005, it removed bankruptcy as a tool of the poor to discharge excess debt. It's caused there to be very little downside to lending, and lead to an explosion of debt.

Especially since excessive lending usually requires public spending to fix once it gets too bad.

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It bums me out that people who need the most help in life receive the least

What do you mean "receive the least"? Pretty much all the social programs we have target the poor, not the rich. The poor are the ones that receive the most.

The only "social programs" that work in this country are the ones serving Wall Street. Socialism for the rich is a reality.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If student loans were suddenly unavailable then universities would have to rein in out of control costs and Maybe get rid of sports and bs admin staff. The only reason they change that much is due to the ability of loans.

Same goes for books. Your prices for textbooks over there are hilarious. They're priced purely based on just how much you can milk the students, or rather whoever finances them.

Yeah and to a captive market too. College textbook sales is one of the most insane rackets I've ever witnessed... "milking the students" is no exaggeration.

Re: Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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It bums me out that people who need the most help in life receive the least

What do you mean "receive the least"? Pretty much all the social programs we have target the poor, not the rich. The poor are the ones that receive the most.

Programs that benefit richer people aren't framed as "social programs" and generally aren't saddled by Kafkaesque bureaucracy and scrutiny.

Compare the sheer toil of using food stamps vs using the mortgage tax deduction.

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It bums me out that people who need the most help in life receive the least

What do you mean "receive the least"? Pretty much all the social programs we have target the poor, not the rich. The poor are the ones that receive the most.

This is a narrow understanding. Rich individuals are setup to benefit from the programs for the poor. Such that what you say is both true and irrelevant. Poor individuals are not benefited.

Re: Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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Okay, I'm imagining it. So what? There is a debate to be had about what sorts of protections we want to provide to debtors. But that's separate and apart from the existence of companies that specialize in debt collection. The latter is simply an example of economic specialization. The problem everyone has getting their mind around debt collection is that they focus on the after-the-fact situation, instead of the whol…

If student loans were suddenly unavailable then universities would have to rein in out of control costs and Maybe get rid of sports and bs admin staff. The only reason they change that much is due to the ability of loans.

I mean, I guess. If your argument is "I think it would be a good thing for poor students to never receive loans", then you can take that position.

But intentionally trying to ensure that poor people are never given loans is not usually the arguments that I hear, surrounding student debt.

Re: Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same goes for books. Your prices for textbooks over there are hilarious. They're priced purely based on just how much you can milk the students, or rather whoever finances them.

Yeah and to a captive market too. College textbook sales is one of the most insane rackets I've ever witnessed... "milking the students" is no exaggeration.

I absolutely agree. The whole “college experience” from overpriced textbooks to overpriced dorms is a huge racket. The covid pandemic might really shake things up though if there’s no school starting in the fall though.

Re: Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If student loans were suddenly unavailable then universities would have to rein in out of control costs and Maybe get rid of sports and bs admin staff. The only reason they change that much is due to the ability of loans.

Both statements can be true: eliminating debt collection would massively curtail the availability of credit, and excessive credit availability practically any motive to curtail costs.

This is not true based on the amount of money originating lenders get when the sell off bad debt. Generally they receive less than 5%(sometimes less than 1%).

To the original lender, 5% of the defaulted debt generally just covers the cost of writing off the debt and maybe a bit more. It does not move the needle at all for loan availability.

Re: Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts

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post #14

There have been journalists & researchers who covered these debt collectors at court. When defendants showed up, organised, they usually won. The debt collectors' lawyers didn't arrive prepared to win, because most people didn't show up. If you can win 85% of cases just by showing up, why bother. A court system that allows these dynamics to dominate isn't serving well.

And it only gets to court after harassment hasn't worked. Anecdata: guy I know had a common name. Debt collector fastened on him because he'd lived in the same town as a deadbeat with that name too. Guy would call day and night demanding payment.

At least in America, you can demand that all correspondence goes through certified mail, with big fines if they don't.
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