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After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by ceejayoz »

koolba wrote: post #28
ghufran_syed wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"After this article was published, a spokesperson for Pence, Katie Miller, said in a statement that "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract and was not involved in it at all."

And of course that note is at the bottom of the article. This is a perfect example of fake news. Deep down there is a story of incompetence and duress on the part of NY State, but instead it’s presented to the public as yet another made up anti-Trump circle jerk.

1. This administration has outright lied about a number of things, including denying to the press things we know actually did happen.

2. "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract" does not actually deny having recommended the vendor to NY. It's a pretty careful wording that doesn't actually contradict the article at all.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by koolba »

ceejayoz wrote: post #31
koolba wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And of course that note is at the bottom of the article. This is a perfect example of fake news. Deep down there is a story of incompetence and duress on the part of NY State, but instead it’s presented to the public as yet another made up anti-Trump circle jerk.

1. This administration has outright lied about a number of things, including denying to the press things we know actually did happen. 2. "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract" does not actually deny having recommended the vendor to NY. It's a pretty careful wording that doesn't actually contradict the article at all.

> 2. "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract" does not actually deny having recommended the vendor to NY.

By truncating the rest of the quoted text you’re further proving my point of the fake news circle jerk. The full quote from the article that you selectively truncated is (emphasis mine):

>> "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract and was not involved in it at all."

My layman’s reading of “not involved at all” would cover denying recommending the vendor.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by gshdg »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #20
baybal2 wrote: post #19

Lets use this as an opportunity to count how many countries actually managed to deliver on making brand new emergency ventilators during the emergency? I counted only three: Turkey — Baykar Biyovent, Pakistan — Kamra PakVent 1, India — Marutu Suzuki emergency ventilator. That's very few. Even if NYC government didn't dish those money to him, it would still be unrealistic to expect anybody being able to deliver on tha…

Didn't Tesla deliver new emergency ventilators?

You mean this?

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-tesla-ventilators-coronav...

> But as noted by NPR, The American Society of Anesthesiologists warned in guidance published on February 23 that BiPAP machines may actually "increase the risk of infectious transmission." Experts have said the non-invasive devices can let air escape, resulting in potential virus spread.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by lph »

koolba wrote: post #28
ghufran_syed wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"After this article was published, a spokesperson for Pence, Katie Miller, said in a statement that "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract and was not involved in it at all."

And of course that note is at the bottom of the article. This is a perfect example of fake news. Deep down there is a story of incompetence and duress on the part of NY State, but instead it’s presented to the public as yet another made up anti-Trump circle jerk.

If it's he-said/she-said between officials from NY state and the White House Coronavirus Task Force, I don't see any reason to automatically side with the White House except for political bias. This White House has proven itself to be mendacious, incompetent, and disorganized many times over.

None of that excuses NY from doing due diligence, but I'm just saying I wouldn't jump to conclusions about who told whom what.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by shard972 »

krapp wrote: post #30
ghufran_syed wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you check the article, there is now an update where a spokesman for the white house denies there was ever any contact or recommendation from the coronavirus task force.

Oh. Well, if a White House spokesperson denies an allegation then I guess the matter is settled. No reason for concern at all.

How about NYC show us the evidence and just settle it? If the WH had no contact they have no evidence to prove a negative.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by cocoa19 »

xwdv wrote: post #18

If I got $69 million I could figure out a way to get the same amount of ventilators and still have some profit left over, guaranteed. Let’s talk.

Lol'd at this comment. Another top post today titled "I could do that in a weekend" comes to mind.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by koheripbal »

gshdg wrote: post #33
Consultant32452 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Tesla deliver new emergency ventilators?

You mean this? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-tesla-ventilators-coronav... > But as noted by NPR, The American Society of Anesthesiologists warned in guidance published on February 23 that BiPAP machines may actually "increase the risk of infectious transmission." Experts have said the non-invasive devices can let air escape, resulting in potential virus spread.

They might slightly increase the already high level of transmission in the covid wing of the hospital, but the point is that they save the life of the person they are ventilating.

I'm always surprised at the degree to which people will take a good deed and twist it make it seem wrong or ineffective. Why? Is it a general hatred for Musk? ...or something more general? A hatred of successful people? Or a hatred of wealthy people? Why the irrational bias?

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by bathtub365 »

dantheman wrote: post #13
ceejayoz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article states the White House recommended the vendor to New York.

With New York's view on the white house and their capabilities - not doing due diligence is on them.

And with the position of authority the federal government is in, giving poor recommendations is on them. Responsibility goes both ways.

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by bathtub365 »

dantheman wrote: post #14
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth reading the article. The subtitle adds a bit of necessary context: > The Silicon Valley engineer, who had no background in medical supplies but was recommended by the White House, never delivered the ventilators. The article has a direct quote: > “The guy was recommended to us by the White House coronavirus task force because they were doing business with him as well,” said the New York state official. I d…

Really, the state government that thinks these people are criminals and frauds? Remember NYC has known trump and his ilk for a long time.

Why are you letting the federal government off the hook and blaming the victim?

Re: After One Tweet, This Man Got $69M from New York for Ventilators

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Post by neltnerb »

koolba wrote: post #32
ceejayoz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. This administration has outright lied about a number of things, including denying to the press things we know actually did happen. 2. "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract" does not actually deny having recommended the vendor to NY. It's a pretty careful wording that doesn't actually contradict the article at all.

> 2. "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract" does not actually deny having recommended the vendor to NY. By truncating the rest of the quoted text you’re further proving my point of the fake news circle jerk. The full quote from the article that you selectively truncated is (emphasis mine): >> "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract and was not…

How does that not read as saying that they weren't involved in contracting?

I don't know why it doesn't look like it to you, but I see lawyer speak, not layman speak.

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