* Brussels * Kortrijk * Prostějov * Prague * Mannheim * Marbella * Nîmes (FR) * Nice (FR) * Cannes (FR) * Roubaix (FR) * Marseille (FR) * Toulouse (FR) * Yvelines (FR) * Warsaw
Any correlation with the local political color?
At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU
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#32* Brussels * Kortrijk * Prostějov * Prague * Mannheim * Marbella * Nîmes (FR) * Nice (FR) * Cannes (FR) * Roubaix (FR) * Marseille (FR) * Toulouse (FR) * Yvelines (FR) * Warsaw
Any correlation with the local political color?
All the French ones are right-wing, 5/7 from Les Républicains (The Republicans, a right-wing conservative party).
That doesn't say that much, as most of France is under right-wing leadership at the moment (president is centre-right)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think as long as your in public then it's fine to assume you're being recorded by CCTV. Obviously the government being able to access cameras in your own house like 1984 is not ok. But CCTV in public does reduce crime and help investigations. For example the Central line in London doesn't have CCTV (unlike most of the other lines) and it has the most assaults. https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/central-line-trai…
The idea that you should lose any form of privacy the moment you step outside your home is an extremely dangerous one. The reasons we value privacy do not suddenly cease to apply because you live a normal life. Also, the evidence that CCTV is effective at deterring or solving crime is debatable. There is a plausible alternative theory that it simply moves the crime around. That is OK for you if you live and work in "…
What do you mean by normal? Not doing anything illegal?
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any correlation with the local political color?
All the French ones are right-wing, 5/7 from Les Républicains (The Republicans, a right-wing conservative party). That doesn't say that much, as most of France is under right-wing leadership at the moment (president is centre-right)
Curious, do the French people consider Macron a right winger?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the movies and on TV, they always have to 'ask for the tapes'. Wonder how it really works now - the NSA already has it all?
If those cameras have any kind of outside accessibility over a network, the NSA is probably just one of many with potential access.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
All the French ones are right-wing, 5/7 from Les Républicains (The Republicans, a right-wing conservative party). That doesn't say that much, as most of France is under right-wing leadership at the moment (president is centre-right)
Curious, do the French people consider Macron a right winger?
Center right yes. The prime minister is a from a right party. On average since the election, Macron's popularity went down with French people voting left, and raised (or didn't went down as much) with French people voting right.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think as long as your in public then it's fine to assume you're being recorded by CCTV. Obviously the government being able to access cameras in your own house like 1984 is not ok. But CCTV in public does reduce crime and help investigations. For example the Central line in London doesn't have CCTV (unlike most of the other lines) and it has the most assaults. https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/central-line-trai…
The Central Line is also the busiest (most trips, I can't find most passenger-km), so without knowing the number of assaults on the other lines, this is irrelevant.
Northern and Central are definitely the busiest.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
All the French ones are right-wing, 5/7 from Les Républicains (The Republicans, a right-wing conservative party). That doesn't say that much, as most of France is under right-wing leadership at the moment (president is centre-right)
Curious, do the French people consider Macron a right winger?
France has more than just two political parties. Macron started as a centrist populist with his own party, but has leaned to the right with his actions since coming to office.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article is about using Machine Learning on the video feeds, not that there are video feeds. And the issue at hand is that ML algorithms can have racial bias in the classifications.
Seems like a red herring. They want you to assume that mass violations of privacy are okay as long as they're not racist. They're also ignoring classism - It's fine if the rights of the working class are violated, as long as they're all violated equally. Never-mind the people who can afford privacy on the free market.
When it comes to the police force surveillance, prejudicial bias is more a problem than a red herring. It's true that mass surveillance is an issue but how it is implemented can be an issue as well.
I'm curious - how does a wealthy person retain their privacy from this type of mass surveillance but the working class does not?
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You have no expectation of privacy in public or on state owned areas (roads, walkways, squares, parks).
No expectation is different from your information being automatically stored and analyzed (and easily traced back to you whenever the government feels like it).
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