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Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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The solution isn't hoping the free market would solve this with a competing platform. The solution is to create regulations & laws that prevent this behavior. You're either a platform/retailer or you're a manufacturer. You don't get to be both because we see the perverse incentive that happens when it's allowed.

In this case it's shitty to be a supplier but isn't this great for the consumer?

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#32
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I thought this was common knowledge. Don’t the chains like Walmart do the exact same things?

A lot of businesses do this. It's far less risky to copy a successful model than it is to explore the unknown space of products/services and find out what a successful model is, what to price it at, etc.

This is part of the reason systems like the patent system were created for inventions: to encourage people to bother exploring risky unknown spaces to develop inventions by granting them essentially a short term monopoly to harvest their reward which they would then compete against after a time period so society could further benefit from their finding by allowing competition to drive prices down and iterate on those inventions.

Obviously the patent system doesn't really serve this purpose anymore like so many systems that have been sidestepped/bypassed, changed through regulatory capture and corrupted by pure profit seeking behaviors.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#33
The key difference between what Amazon does and Costco/Walmart etc does, is that regular retail takes the risk of buying the product to resell, prior to gathering data and considering whether to clone it.

Amazon is able to snoop on all the sales data without any risk.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#34

why marketplaces are able to compete with their sellers is beyond me.

Why sellers would use a market place that is obviously going to compete with them is beyond me.

You got two answers that are telling you this is good and normal, but I have a third one:

They're the only game in town at this point.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#36
Oftentimes this is done to circumvent paying patent license fees- for example if a patented component in a BOM would cost 75 cents per unit from the manufacturer, and the in-house team found a way to perform the equivalent function for 15 cents then it would instantly allow your product to undercut the competition. In Amazon's case, all it takes is a query to find high margin items in which knockoffs can be made and self-promoted to eventually outrank sales of the original item.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#37

why marketplaces are able to compete with their sellers is beyond me.

Well, because marketplaces like Amazon have a strategy for that: learn from sellers, imitate their products, offer your imitated product prominently on your "neutral" marketplace and crush the competition with a lower price until they have to give up or let themselves be bought [1]. That's nothing really new. The difference with Amazon is just the scale.

[1] https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/amazon-doesnt-just...

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#38

Of course they do. Like everybody else. Who doesn't do market research?

Some companies foster cordial relationships with their partners by staying strictly in their lane. For example, ARM licenses CPU core designs to chip manufacturers, but they don't make their own chips, as doing so would turn their customers into their competitors. Businesses like contract manufacturers are similar - Foxconn wouldn't start making their own smartphone. Of course, not every company takes that approach.

Not that it really impacts your point, but Foxconn do make consumer products: RAM modules and motherboards.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#39

Of course they do. Like everybody else. Who doesn't do market research?

Some companies foster cordial relationships with their partners by staying strictly in their lane. For example, ARM licenses CPU core designs to chip manufacturers, but they don't make their own chips, as doing so would turn their customers into their competitors. Businesses like contract manufacturers are similar - Foxconn wouldn't start making their own smartphone. Of course, not every company takes that approach.

>Some companies foster cordial relationships with their partners by staying strictly in their lane.

That happens to be ARM's business model at the moment. It isn't guaranteed to be their model tomorrow, nor are they doing it be friends with partners.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

#40

The solution isn't hoping the free market would solve this with a competing platform. The solution is to create regulations & laws that prevent this behavior. You're either a platform/retailer or you're a manufacturer. You don't get to be both because we see the perverse incentive that happens when it's allowed.

that solves the problem for suppliers, but creates one for consumers with lower competition. Less competition, higher prices.

*just noticed I was down voted, likely by MichaelApproved because he has 7500 Karma and I only have 156.

I'm starting to really hate contributing to HackerNews discussions because it's fully of a bunch of bullies who pound on your karma if you don't agree with their viewpoints. Bring on the downvotes, I know HN hates any mention of it's imperfections as well. At least my conscious is clear.

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