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Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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For businesses that will probably never return.

They'll be replaced, but the owners, employees, and loved ones who die won't.

Why the hell is this voted down? It's true. There is a sacrifice that must be made between saving lives and saving businesses that is very real.

Ideally we want to save lives but there will be a line drawn somewhere where we must open up businesses again.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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This worries me. South Korea's mass testing alone was not enough to contain the coronavirus outbreak; they relied on social distancing measures too: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southk...

South Korea: 234 deaths 8042 recovered. China: 4632 deaths, 77k recovered[1]. Their treatment protocol is an order of magnitude better than every other country. What are they doing that we're not? This is a huge glaring discrepancy. What's the difference between their treatment protocols and everyone else's?

[1]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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> Bill Gates has literally been preparing the last 20 years to make enormous amounts of money on a forced vaccination program Is this one of those conspiracy theories I’ve been hearing about? Bill Gates’ foundation has been giving away money for decades. If you think he’s planning to make a bunch of money off “forced vaccination”, you’re stuck in the past — Gates doesn’t care about making more money, he cares about g…

Perhaps it would indulge the conspiracy theories too much - but I'd kinda love to see an actual breakdown of how something like this could ever make him money. Think of the huge amount of money he has lost from this in the other businesses he owns and think of all the money he invested in this for decades he could have invested in other lucrative industries. How much would he need from this supposed plan to even brea…

That's why it's called a conspiracy theory, not a consistency theory.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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South Korea demonstrated from the beginning on how to deal with this (despite their slow start - which still is super quick compared to most western countries). But its completely wrong to think they passed it. They also have massive impediments at the moment. Back to normal? Far from it.

But people are still working and their economy is still running. This is a HUGE improvement over what we have currently in the USA.

The current narrative is that anyone who thinks this quarentine is poorly managed is a Trump supporter.

This couldn't be further from the truth.

They have made it political.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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To be clear, the Korean government officially still recommends social distancing. They are especially worried about the family picnics mentioned in the article, and have officially closed many public parks in response. To repeat: don't take this as a sign that Korea believes it has successfully managed the outbreak.

I'm actually slightly worried as Singapore seemed to have handled the crisis quite well with only 1000ish cases for the longest time, but have now had cases balloon from only around 1350 total cases two weeks ago to 6000 today.

Certainly, a lot of it has to with migrant workers and their living situations, but it also underscores how even when you have things under control, the virus can spread rapidly when your guard is down.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Yup

> Bill Gates has literally been preparing the last 20 years to make enormous amounts of money on a forced vaccination program Is this one of those conspiracy theories I’ve been hearing about? Bill Gates’ foundation has been giving away money for decades. If you think he’s planning to make a bunch of money off “forced vaccination”, you’re stuck in the past — Gates doesn’t care about making more money, he cares about g…

I do not believe any conspiracy theory about Gates and vaccines or anything else. But his comment about voting for Trump if the other candidate raise his taxes too much doesn't support the non greed argument ( he reiterated it after saying he was kidding with a straw man argument). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMZ1Qzr1ag

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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South Korea started testing very early:

“South Korea's foreign minister, Kang Kyung-wha, speaking to the BBC last week, said the key lessons from her country are that it developed testing for the virus even before it had a significant number of cases. "In mid-January, our health authorities quickly conferred with the research institutions here [to develop a test]," Kang said. "And then they shared that result with the pharmaceutical companies, who then produced the reagent [chemical] and the equipment needed for the testing."

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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South Korea demonstrated from the beginning on how to deal with this (despite their slow start - which still is super quick compared to most western countries). But its completely wrong to think they passed it. They also have massive impediments at the moment. Back to normal? Far from it.

I am stuck in my flat in Spain for the 5th week now. Just read they extended it another two, to 8 in total. I am wondering how other countries can be a bit more relaxed (UK and Belgium are allowed out for an our for exercise), or in the case of Sweeden a lot more relaxed, and are still managing to flatten their curves.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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But people are still working and their economy is still running. This is a HUGE improvement over what we have currently in the USA.

& just looking at the raw data, they seem to have a waaay better solution than we do: https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe from http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ if anyone wants to compare other stats.

They had really good contact tracing. I'm not even sure how much we're attempting this in the US. "Lockdowns" without contact tracing is taking the path of "herd immunity for essential workers"

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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South Korea demonstrated from the beginning on how to deal with this (despite their slow start - which still is super quick compared to most western countries). But its completely wrong to think they passed it. They also have massive impediments at the moment. Back to normal? Far from it.

I am stuck in my flat in Spain for the 5th week now. Just read they extended it another two, to 8 in total. I am wondering how other countries can be a bit more relaxed (UK and Belgium are allowed out for an our for exercise), or in the case of Sweeden a lot more relaxed, and are still managing to flatten their curves.

This video has a good explanation of why the Spanish policy is ineffective.

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-joh...

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