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Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by NegativeLatency » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

concernedCity wrote: post #13

There's something very wrong about some random company being able to collect lots of data about you where the only way to stop it is to _somehow_ know about the company and opt out _after_ it collects that data.

Feels pretty bad.

I suspect things will have to get worse before they get better. But then again we have the 3 big credit reporting agencies, and they don't seem to be going anywhere.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by pirocks » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

fyp wrote: post #7

jbverschoor wrote: post #4

lol I dunno if I wanna send "a clear photo of you"

Use a profile picture that's already public and have been crawled a bajillion times. E.g. https://twitter.com/jbverschoor/photo

Not op, but I make a point of not having my face in profile pictures.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by enahs-sf » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

hellcow wrote: post #2

I filled this out weeks ago... never got any response.

I'm mildly terrified that it's going into another training data set somewhere.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by irscott » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:10 PM UTC

If you're not covered under CCPA or GDPR (most of the world) then you're just shit outta luck. Cool.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by zbjornson » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

If you both opt-out and request data deletion, how do they keep you opt'ed-out? That seems impossible for them to comply with.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by irscott » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

oefrha wrote: post #8

What if I'm a former California resident? Does the law say they have to delete photos of me taken in California?

My guess is that if you no longer live in CA you're no longer covered under the CCPA so no. It's about residence, not where the photos were taken.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by salawat » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:13 PM UTC

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #10

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

The funny thing is that you can't really opt out if the mechanism they use to tell their system to ignore you is in and of itself facial recognition based.

They'd have to crawl all incoming data, and compare it with you (I.e. identifying you) in order to know whether or not that picture they just slurped up was someone who had opted out. Opt-outs don't work by definition when what you are opting out of is a system of identification.

The fact of the matter is, the system shouldn't have been made in the first place,and the mere existence of it guarantees the capability for it to be abused.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by pjs_ » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

Please self-identify as a deviant by filling out this form...

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by bonestamp2 » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

enahs-sf wrote: post #33

hellcow wrote: post #2

I filled this out weeks ago... never got any response.

I'm mildly terrified that it's going into another training data set somewhere.

Agreed. Depending on which option you choose, this could further improve their model. For example, they could use it to confirm your identity and improve recognition of you. Even if they never disclosed your id, they could use it reject subjects that would otherwise have a possibility of being you.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by sixstringtheory » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

> There's no point acting all surprised about it; the plans and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your earth years. If you can't be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that's your own lookout.