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In the US, many, if not most, credit cards don't charge a monthly fee. Is it different in the EU?

I have not many experiences as I am 19 and haven't switche banks, but my current bank requires a fee. See https://www.lzo.com/de/home/privatkunden/kreditkarte.html

INGDiba and Comdirect both offer free credit cards. Probably many more banks do as well.

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post #12

To be honest, I always kind of lol at these kinds of rants. Wishing for the "one true payment system" is like thinking that everyone will switch over to speaking Esperanto in the near future. NEVER going to happen. Also, many of his gripes seem ridiculous. I don't know if the situation is different in Europe, but in the US I think pretty much everyone should have a credit card. You can use a secured card if you have…

> To be honest, I always kind of lol at these kinds of rants. Wishing for the "one true payment system" is like thinking that everyone will switch over to speaking Esperanto in the near future. There always exists cash (except for internet transactions, of course).

I never understood why some shops/restaurants do not take cash. It's only a minor inconvenience having to deposit the cash in-person and you don't lose money on any transaction fee. Maybe to protect against theft? But still, using cash saves the seller 1-3% on that transaction.

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#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough. But I don't pay 2€ per month for a credit card from my local bank to buy stuff from a vending machine. The overall point is, that I have not enough use cases to make resonable use of it in the real world over my current free debit card.

In the US, many, if not most, credit cards don't charge a monthly fee. Is it different in the EU?

In the Netherlands with my bank at least, yes there is a fee. There is also a fee for having a bank account with its included debit card, but you can't do without. Credit cards are of very limited use.

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#34

"Only with a credit card. I am a student, I have no real world use for this kind of card" Yes you do, that vending machine you're standing in front of

You feel the need to take out a short-term loan for your soda purchase? The fact that a debit card isn't considered as good as (and further, that it's not assumed to be better than) a credit card is yet another bit of money horror.

>You feel the need to take out a short-term loan for your soda purchase?

Yeah why not? It's interest free for at least 3 weeks

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#35

"Only with a credit card. I am a student, I have no real world use for this kind of card" Yes you do, that vending machine you're standing in front of

You feel the need to take out a short-term loan for your soda purchase? The fact that a debit card isn't considered as good as (and further, that it's not assumed to be better than) a credit card is yet another bit of money horror.

The way the credit card system is setup is what it is. If you know what you are doing you can take advantage of it.

One should almost never use a debit card, as if it gets compromised the money comes directly out of your account and the banks don’t have much incentive to help too much.

With a credit card, that stolen money belongs to the bank, and therefore they have a big incentive to get it back, so using this kind of card allows you to wield the power of a large company for your benefit. As long as you pay off the full bill every month, you are getting this protection for free.

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#36

"Only with a credit card. I am a student, I have no real world use for this kind of card" Yes you do, that vending machine you're standing in front of

You feel the need to take out a short-term loan for your soda purchase? The fact that a debit card isn't considered as good as (and further, that it's not assumed to be better than) a credit card is yet another bit of money horror.

In the US, I haven't seen a debit card that wasn't also usable as a "credit card" (VISA/MasterCard numbers) in decades.

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#37

"Only with a credit card. I am a student, I have no real world use for this kind of card" Yes you do, that vending machine you're standing in front of

You feel the need to take out a short-term loan for your soda purchase? The fact that a debit card isn't considered as good as (and further, that it's not assumed to be better than) a credit card is yet another bit of money horror.

A short term loan that will be 0% interest if you pay the full balance every month? In exchange for greater security and in most cases points/miles?

Credit cards aren't for everyone, but if you can pay the full balance every month then there's no reason to not use one.

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#38

"Only with a credit card. I am a student, I have no real world use for this kind of card" Yes you do, that vending machine you're standing in front of

You feel the need to take out a short-term loan for your soda purchase? The fact that a debit card isn't considered as good as (and further, that it's not assumed to be better than) a credit card is yet another bit of money horror.

It’s a free loan for a short period, and if you don’t settle timely due to your own impulses to over “borrow”, you incur high interest, and only then do these loans become a problem.

Otherwise there’s no reason not to use a CC instead of debit. It can even be life saving if you’re slim on the savings and are smart with your CC usage and settlement.

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#39
I think most day-to-day problems are easily solved by just getting a credit card, there are lots of no-fee cards that pretty much anyone can get. They work everywhere, and have fraud protection (edit: In North America at least).

For me, the biggest problem is trying to move large amounts of money around, especially across borders. It took me like 3 phone calls and a trip to the bank to figure out how to move my money from my US bank account to my Canadian bank account without having to pay an absurd $40 wire fee. And of course currency conversion is a pain as well - if you are converting a large amount of money you either pay a tonne of fees through the bank, pay a fairly large amount of fees (~1%) through something like Transferwise, or pay no fees by going through the hastle of Norberts Gambit.

Re: Money Horror

#40
post #16

This is a bit "don't do that, then"; almost all the vital things take debit cards, including through contactless. It would certainly be nice to have something like Vipps in more countries; EU Faster Payments is getting there but not quite as usable. And it's 24-hour. For any of the peer-to-peer solutions, you have to consider the fraud problems. The problem with micropayments is microfraud.

One of the most surprising experiences of my most recent trip to the USA (18 months ago) was how few places seemed to cope with cards — and that those which did, mostly still used the magnetic stripe.

The experience showed me why Apple Pay and Google Pay were considered worth developing, or using. The only places which could do contactless payment with my card could also do it with my smartphone.

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