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Antique 4x5 camera creates 20 micron photolithography masks [video]

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Hi. I'm the creator of this video. Let me know if you have any questions.

Can you do videolithography next? Soft circuits of some kind. Then we can use machine learning to generate purposeful circuits—with CNNs, GANs, etc.

Oh there will be NN coming out of this project...in a manner of speaking.

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Cringing it everytime he calls it an antique camera. This is like a millennial talking about an antique technology called 'VHS' tape.

Definition of antique:

> An antique is usually an item that is collected or desirable because of its age, beauty, rarity, condition, utility, personal emotional connection, and/or other unique features. It is an object that represents a previous era or time period in human history.

Seems fitting to me.

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Cringing it everytime he calls it an antique camera. This is like a millennial talking about an antique technology called 'VHS' tape.

Definition of antique: > An antique is usually an item that is collected or desirable because of its age, beauty, rarity, condition, utility, personal emotional connection, and/or other unique features. It is an object that represents a previous era or time period in human history. Seems fitting to me.

The camera in the video doesn't meet any of these descriptions. Metal construction 4x5 monorails are ten a penny and are still manufactured today. This model probably dates from the 50s-60s.

You can pick up something like this for very little money: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324084661177

The price of the item above corresponds to its actual utility as a camera. No-one is collecting these.

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Hi. I'm the creator of this video. Let me know if you have any questions.

I love your passion and drive towards making things work. Often without a blueprint to follow. Thanks for shining light (sometimes literally) on so many obscure topics.

If you ever find yourself bored, we could really use a reliable method of removing a camera senor bayer matrix. Bonus points if you can figure out how to deposit microlenses back onto the photosites after removal.

https://stargazerslounge.com/topic/166334-debayering-a-dslrs...

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Hi. I'm the creator of this video. Let me know if you have any questions.

Awesome video and process, we've been talking about this at work since it showed up here and have a few questions if you don't mind:

How far do you think you'd be from making a simple 8-bit CPU like a 6502?

Have you thought about illuminating the initial film exposure as well as the substrate exposure (on the slide glass) using monochromatic light sources like a mercury UV lamp?

Instead of a vacuum pump to flatten the film during exposure, how about electrostatic charges?

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Hi. I'm the creator of this video. Let me know if you have any questions.

Awesome video and process, we've been talking about this at work since it showed up here and have a few questions if you don't mind: How far do you think you'd be from making a simple 8-bit CPU like a 6502? Have you thought about illuminating the initial film exposure as well as the substrate exposure (on the slide glass) using monochromatic light sources like a mercury UV lamp? Instead of a vacuum pump to flatten th…

I looked up the 4004 earlier today, thinking about DIY microprocessors. It was 10 micron process. 20 micron is more like 1960-level technology, unfortunately.

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Hi. I'm the creator of this video. Let me know if you have any questions.

As a member of Foulab, home of Thought Emporium, and as an avid watcher of many channels (yours, Thought Emporium, RedNile, BlueNile, etc) which you contributed ideas, knowledge or/and hardware over the years: thank you for spreading such tech around the hackspaces, youtube and homelab community! The content you inspired, made or indirectly contributed to is what makes YouTube the such an amazing platform.

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This is so cool! Questions for engineers: How much work would it take to go from this process to producing a working chip in his garage, like a 6502 or something? Would it be at all feasible? He did point out a ton of defects in the final product, probably due to dust or scratches in his equipment/materials. Would it be possible to clean this up enough to get 1-2 usable chips from a single sheet of 4x5 film? Without…

I can't answer most of this since I don't know, but the first 6502 was fabricated at 8 microns. I wonder if a chip made at 15-20 microns would work just as well?

I don't see why not it wouldn't work, assuming you got the process right and produced them in a clean enough environment. Yields would probably be lower than that of a professional foundary during the 60s or 70s that was processing at the same feature size. Performance of your DIY 6502 would probably be lower as well -- requiring more power and producing more waste heat to run at a lower clock rate than that of an original.

So would it work? Possibly. Work as well? Less likely.

All IMO, of course.

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Cringing it everytime he calls it an antique camera. This is like a millennial talking about an antique technology called 'VHS' tape.

Go to craigslist (for a large city) or ebay and search "vintage computer". Stuff produced in the 90s is considered vintage.

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This is so cool! Questions for engineers: How much work would it take to go from this process to producing a working chip in his garage, like a 6502 or something? Would it be at all feasible? He did point out a ton of defects in the final product, probably due to dust or scratches in his equipment/materials. Would it be possible to clean this up enough to get 1-2 usable chips from a single sheet of 4x5 film? Without…

Here is a blog on home IC production: http://sam.zeloof.xyz/first-ic/ Having done some work in a university lab, I have no desire to be involved in silicon work in a home environment. It requires dangerous chemicals, and lots of equipment and dedication. A short list of what I remember: - Spin coater - Some solution of exposure of masks - Various chemical baths (HH, piranha, etc) in a dedicated area. - Inspection mic…

I wonder if at some point we'll develop new materials and techniques that make it easier to do this, with safer chemicals and less equipment. It may seem far-fetched but you never know. When I was a kid I would've thought it pretty far-fetched that people could 3D print ventilator valves at home that are actually saving lives during a pandemic.
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