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Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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I had portable income and the freedom to go where I wanted more or less at will. My case doesn't prove that millions of people aren't being given a raw deal. It just indicates that gig work doesn't have to be a raw deal and it is possible to design systems that work well. I've tried to promote that idea in the past. It didn't really catch on. Most people basically agree with you and feel that I'm some bizarro statist…

> I began doing gig work while deathly ill and homeless. > 60 percent of people are at least moderately handicapped. Most downplay it and don't want to wear the label "handicapped" or "disabled." Such people benefit enormously from having more control over their lives I don't know you nor your story and this isn't a comment about you personally, but writing that kind of sentences with a straight face to defend the gi…

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Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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There was a recent article on HN about nurses being evicted from their homes for being nurses because of the pandemic. So it's really honest to god not just gig workers who are getting shafted here and treated like "lepers" so to speak. Some of the stuff described in the article is really unfortunate and all too often an outcome of a large bureaucracy. That doesn't make it okay. They need to come up with better proce…

> ...all too often an outcome of a large bureaucracy > If the US had universal healthcare, this would be less of a problem. Italy's socialized healthcare apparently didn't cut it. There are plenty of examples of the existing U.S. healthcare bureaucracy royally screwing up in the covid response. Do I'm not buying the logic that an even bigger bureaucracy is the solution to Kafkaesque bureaucracy, at least not for this…

In the US, the borked healthcare system is a root cause of poverty. That's where universal health care would help with this. There would be fewer people living hand to mouth.

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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Before gig delivery workers, all I could get delivered was on behalf of Domino's or UPS. It's a complicated question to answer, so it's probably rhetorical, but if delivery workers needed to work full time and get significantly higher compensation, would we even have the same magnitude delivery service we're talking about here?

Maybe we shouldn’t. The companies don’t make money and the workers are getting shafted. What’s the point of it?

Some local restaurants are still getting income from delivery for one.

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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There was a recent article on HN about nurses being evicted from their homes for being nurses because of the pandemic. So it's really honest to god not just gig workers who are getting shafted here and treated like "lepers" so to speak. Some of the stuff described in the article is really unfortunate and all too often an outcome of a large bureaucracy. That doesn't make it okay. They need to come up with better proce…

> ...all too often an outcome of a large bureaucracy > If the US had universal healthcare, this would be less of a problem. Italy's socialized healthcare apparently didn't cut it. There are plenty of examples of the existing U.S. healthcare bureaucracy royally screwing up in the covid response. Do I'm not buying the logic that an even bigger bureaucracy is the solution to Kafkaesque bureaucracy, at least not for this…

I can't imagine there's any healthcare system that has more bureaucracy than the US.

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had portable income and the freedom to go where I wanted more or less at will. My case doesn't prove that millions of people aren't being given a raw deal. It just indicates that gig work doesn't have to be a raw deal and it is possible to design systems that work well. I've tried to promote that idea in the past. It didn't really catch on. Most people basically agree with you and feel that I'm some bizarro statist…

> I began doing gig work while deathly ill and homeless. > 60 percent of people are at least moderately handicapped. Most downplay it and don't want to wear the label "handicapped" or "disabled." Such people benefit enormously from having more control over their lives I don't know you nor your story and this isn't a comment about you personally, but writing that kind of sentences with a straight face to defend the gi…

I agree with you, but the thing is we don’t have to destroy the gig economy to get free medical care for all, or housing for the unemployed and handicapped.

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had portable income and the freedom to go where I wanted more or less at will. My case doesn't prove that millions of people aren't being given a raw deal. It just indicates that gig work doesn't have to be a raw deal and it is possible to design systems that work well. I've tried to promote that idea in the past. It didn't really catch on. Most people basically agree with you and feel that I'm some bizarro statist…

> I began doing gig work while deathly ill and homeless. > 60 percent of people are at least moderately handicapped. Most downplay it and don't want to wear the label "handicapped" or "disabled." Such people benefit enormously from having more control over their lives I don't know you nor your story and this isn't a comment about you personally, but writing that kind of sentences with a straight face to defend the gi…

I really hate dealing with comments like this. I've already written and deleted one upset reply.

With 60 percent of the population impaired to some degree, it doesn't work for the world to say "Only the hail and hardy people should work."

I didn't qualify for disability. I still don't.

I had a corporate job. I quit it so I could prioritize my health.

Like many people, my job was harming my health. In contrast, gig work allowed me to get healthier.

This world does not usually reward you for having a good sob story. That's not how that works.

Saying impaired people shouldn't have to work and from there arranging a world where they aren't allowed to work is a nightmare scenario where any defect cuts you out of the system entirely.

When I was a homemaker, I couldn't get good drugs to treat my condition. I was bedridden and being treated like a hypochondriac who got off on cadging antibiotics for funsies.

Then I got a proper diagnosis. The following year, with appropriate accommodation for my condition, I attended an eight week GIS Summer School.

Halfway through, the air turned yellow, probably from sulfur from a factory, and I began reacting anaphylacticly anytime I set foot outside.

I had borrowed $19k to attend. Failure was not an option.

A doctor put me on eight prescription drugs so I could finish the program.

Twenty-two months of drug withdrawal followed. And it saved my life. All those drugs were a turning point in my condition.

People don't really try to help sad sacks live. They don't really try to heal the sick or have compassion for the poor.

But they will dope you to the gills because you have a job to do.

Working -- on my terms -- saved my life.

Maybe that's not a good thing. It's a shitty life in a shitty world full of shitty people and I routinely wish I had died instead.

But working was the only viable option I had for so very many reasons. Telling me I shouldn't work is like telling me to go die in a fire for having been born with the wrong genes.

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I began doing gig work while deathly ill and homeless. > 60 percent of people are at least moderately handicapped. Most downplay it and don't want to wear the label "handicapped" or "disabled." Such people benefit enormously from having more control over their lives I don't know you nor your story and this isn't a comment about you personally, but writing that kind of sentences with a straight face to defend the gi…

I agree with you, but the thing is we don’t have to destroy the gig economy to get free medical care for all, or housing for the unemployed and handicapped.

The problem is that gig economy in Europe actually slowly erodes our rights. People working for uber, deliveroo, &c. don't have the same rights as people working for let's say mcdonalds or starbucks. It's becoming the new normal, no pension, no unemployment benefits, no job security, ...

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I began doing gig work while deathly ill and homeless. > 60 percent of people are at least moderately handicapped. Most downplay it and don't want to wear the label "handicapped" or "disabled." Such people benefit enormously from having more control over their lives I don't know you nor your story and this isn't a comment about you personally, but writing that kind of sentences with a straight face to defend the gi…

I really hate dealing with comments like this. I've already written and deleted one upset reply. With 60 percent of the population impaired to some degree, it doesn't work for the world to say "Only the hail and hardy people should work." I didn't qualify for disability. I still don't. I had a corporate job. I quit it so I could prioritize my health. Like many people, my job was harming my health. In contrast, gig wo…

Again I'm not talking about you in particular and I'm sorry if I upset you, I'm glad it helped you but I'm convinced that in the grand scheme of things it isn't a net positive for the world.

Re: Delivery workers are keeping California fed. They say no one’s keeping them safe

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strike, ask for more money and protection. F the rest. Placing the life on the line for less than living wage, just not worth it.

in some cases they might not have a choice. One of my friends is a nurse at the largest hospital in Croatia which has so far not too many cases and they're still bracing themselves for what happens when they reach capacity. They're not allowed to speak up about what's happening inside the hospitals or complain - they are in fact threatened with prison if they decide to speak up. Despite this 2 nurses have tested posi…

I think they were referring to the delivery drivers in California the article talks about not nurses in Croatia.

Regarding the bracing situation (outside of going to jail for talking about it) that does seem to be the effect everywhere. Heavily rationed PPE, mandatory overtime, PTO cancelled.

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