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Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by jmartinpetersen »

simplyinfinity wrote: post #24
JPKab wrote: post #12

Something that I heard from an epidemiologist the other day is how shutting down schools and daycares can be incredibly counterproductive, because such a high percentage of health care workers have children which suddenly are at home and need to be supervised, pulling these workers out of their duties. I suppose its ok early on, but seems problematic if enough people eventually get infected. Understood that schools a…

A virologist mentioned that kids up until 19 basically don't get sick from this virus, something like 0.2%, and even if they do its not as hard on them as on adult in their 40ies or older. So indeed very counter productive

Do you mean that they do not catch the virus or that they do not have any severe symptoms but can still transmit?

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JPKab wrote: post #12

Something that I heard from an epidemiologist the other day is how shutting down schools and daycares can be incredibly counterproductive, because such a high percentage of health care workers have children which suddenly are at home and need to be supervised, pulling these workers out of their duties. I suppose its ok early on, but seems problematic if enough people eventually get infected. Understood that schools a…

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Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by yummybear »

JPKab wrote: post #12

Something that I heard from an epidemiologist the other day is how shutting down schools and daycares can be incredibly counterproductive, because such a high percentage of health care workers have children which suddenly are at home and need to be supervised, pulling these workers out of their duties. I suppose its ok early on, but seems problematic if enough people eventually get infected. Understood that schools a…

The prime minister said schools and daycares would stay open to serve those. Also that the school itself is not the problem, only the amount of people.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by undreren »

simplyinfinity wrote: post #24
JPKab wrote: post #12

Something that I heard from an epidemiologist the other day is how shutting down schools and daycares can be incredibly counterproductive, because such a high percentage of health care workers have children which suddenly are at home and need to be supervised, pulling these workers out of their duties. I suppose its ok early on, but seems problematic if enough people eventually get infected. Understood that schools a…

A virologist mentioned that kids up until 19 basically don't get sick from this virus, something like 0.2%, and even if they do its not as hard on them as on adult in their 40ies or older. So indeed very counter productive

Kids are much worse vectors for the spread of the disease, so this is absolutely NOT a good argument.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by jyriand »

mixmax wrote: post #2

Also, all public sector employees who do not perform critical functions will be sent home on paid leave, and all private companies are recommended to do the same. On top of this all public gatherings of more than 100 people is discouraged, and it is alsp encouraged for all bars and nightclubs to keep closed for now. These are expected to be signed into law within the week.

Is there any reasoning/science behind 100 people? Why 100 but not 1000 or 50?

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by thanatropism »

laxd wrote: post #14

Norway got more cases than denmark (622 vs 514), and our government is still asleep. The "wait and see" attitude makes shure they are always 3 steps behind.

This is actually a great opportunity for a natural experiment. AFAIK Norws and Swedes have similar cultures re: touching and kissing; probably very similar genetics too.

Curiosity aside: hope you live long and lucky.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by unexpected »

JPKab wrote: post #12

Something that I heard from an epidemiologist the other day is how shutting down schools and daycares can be incredibly counterproductive, because such a high percentage of health care workers have children which suddenly are at home and need to be supervised, pulling these workers out of their duties. I suppose its ok early on, but seems problematic if enough people eventually get infected. Understood that schools a…

I disagree here. Denmark is acting proactively and shutting down schools for 2 weeks. This is a "rip the band aid off early" type of move. By shutting down everything for 2 weeks, they effectively self-quarantine during the entire incubation period and will dramatically slow the rate of the virus.

China, on the other hand, did not do this, and they were forced to shut down schools for 6 months.

These moves are HARD and painful, but the key to stopping a pandemic is acting overly aggressive and far-reaching. The USA is not doing nearly enough. We're going to be Italy in about 2 weeks.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by toomuchtodo »

majos wrote: post #23
mixmax wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, the specifics aren't out yet but a package is being put together right now by the government. We don't know yet how much, but the numbers are in the billions. The government is aware that this is a dificult situation financially for a lot of companies and are working to resolve it. A lot of it will be through delayed payment of taxes and VAT to keep cashflow.

This seems enormously complicated. How can the government reliably assess lost revenue? What about businesses whose expenditures were always unrealistic and a temporary closure pushed them over the edge, should they be covered too? Note that I’m not criticizing the solution, just remarking on how hard the problem looks.

This is not overly complex. Insurance companies do similar assessments of lost revenue as part of business claims.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by berdon »

arcticbull wrote: post #21
laxd wrote: post #14

Norway got more cases than denmark (622 vs 514), and our government is still asleep. The "wait and see" attitude makes shure they are always 3 steps behind.

Or, alternatively, everyone's freaking out over something that just isn't as big a deal as everyone's making it out to be.

The risks of not freaking out and it decimating the populace should easily outweigh the risks of freaking out and it not having an impact. It's very difficult to even rationalize the latter because a freakout might mean the impact is negligible.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Post by simplyinfinity »

nikolay wrote: post #11

Smart move! Ignoring the best practice of preventing loss of life during pandemics will be a costly mistake!

According to cdc expert, kids up to 19 mostly don't get sick, or if they do, it's not as bad as in adults over 40

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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