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The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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Is that... a loading screen for a text-based news website? Christ.

... aaand now we're distracted by a completely irrelevant annoyance of technology instead of discussing the content of the article and some very serious issues...

It's not completely irrelevant, disabling javascript used to be a way to somewhat protect your privacy.

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Create a new account under a pseudonym. I've not been on Facebook for years, and I tried doing this recently. It was relentless in pestering me for a phone number for "security reasons". It would not accept any of the online SMS services I found. I ended up abandoning it.

Sounds like a job for a burner phone.

Yes, but there's no way I'm investing neither money nor time in jumping through silly Facebook hoops. What's to stop them from suddenly requiring dental x-rays, or some other nonsense, for "security reasons"?

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Create a new account under a pseudonym. I've not been on Facebook for years, and I tried doing this recently. It was relentless in pestering me for a phone number for "security reasons". It would not accept any of the online SMS services I found. I ended up abandoning it.

Sounds like a job for a burner phone.

Why would someone buy a whole new phone just to use a shitty advertising network they explicitly did not want to use?

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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I have been mulling cancelling my Facebook account for a while now. Today as I was browsing I saw several Scientology ads. I know Facebook doesn't have an agenda per se - you have the money, they have the adspace - but I was still struck by the brazenness of advertising something whose ethical dubiousness has been so thoroughly publicized. Facebook will never change unless they are forced to. We have signed away perh…

I'm on -20 here so we don't care, but I wish these were "tech" companies as that would benefit society through actual physical innovation, but having some servers and (trivial) logic does not deserve the label tech. ASML does, AMD does. Facebook? No way. Google.. maybe. Why not just advertisement industry?

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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The tone of the article dips a bit too far into sensationalism and fear mongering for my taste. While the concerns expressed are absolutely legitimate, I grow weary of people spreading fear for the sake of fear (or worse, clicks) without any mention of what we can do to protect ourselves. Spreading fear and then calling people to action based on that fear is not really leading us down a good path. I've noticed the ef…

The problem here is that surveillance firms _are_ out of control and there isn’t much you can do about it.

Even if you leave their platform they won’t leave you alone. How exactly can you stop Facebook compiling shadow profiles?

How do you stop Google Analytics without installing more of their software?

We used to be able to say no to software, now it’s all “Not Right Now”.

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a job for a burner phone.

Why would someone buy a whole new phone just to use a shitty advertising network they explicitly did not want to use?

Who said anything about a phone? Prepaid SIM cards are free, top one up with £5 and you're good to go.

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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>But the pop-up won’t let us pass without clicking “agree”. Opting out is an illusion. I mean this is a weird way to phrase it but you definitely cannot participate in modern society without hindering yourself in various meaningful ways if you do not "opt-in" to giving up your privacy. "Opt-in" requirements have consequently struck me as "privacy theatre" which mostly irritates. I don't see any solution for the curre…

>> But the pop-up won’t let us pass without clicking “agree”. Opting out is an illusion. You can generally just delete the popup from the DOM.

Idea for an addon: delete popups, delete overlays, fix scrolling ( which is often broken after deleting popups ). Is it possible to earn money with addons?

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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>But the pop-up won’t let us pass without clicking “agree”. Opting out is an illusion. I mean this is a weird way to phrase it but you definitely cannot participate in modern society without hindering yourself in various meaningful ways if you do not "opt-in" to giving up your privacy. "Opt-in" requirements have consequently struck me as "privacy theatre" which mostly irritates. I don't see any solution for the curre…

The regulation already says that this kind of coercion is illegal and subject to admonishment and eventual fining.

Sites that do not offer the equal choice between "continue with privacy intrusion" and "continue without privacy intrusion" are definitely out of compliance since 2018. Report them to ankle-biters like http://noyb.eu if you feel like making the world a little bit better.

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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I either get rid of cookie/tracking popups from the DOM (using e.g. Nuke Anything on Firefox, or developer tools) and use a bookmarklet to reenable scrolling or I open private browsing and accept all the junk they want to give. My browsing is basically unaffected beyond the 5 seconds it takes to do the above, and I am successfully opting out of privacy invasion. Unfortunately this isn't simple enough for the average person to do so they'll continue to be the bait for these companies.

The irony of the text that says "we care about your privacy" while simultaneously hiding the "deny all" button is profound.

Re: The opt-out illusion: how we have acquiesced to losing our privacy

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>But the pop-up won’t let us pass without clicking “agree”. Opting out is an illusion. I mean this is a weird way to phrase it but you definitely cannot participate in modern society without hindering yourself in various meaningful ways if you do not "opt-in" to giving up your privacy. "Opt-in" requirements have consequently struck me as "privacy theatre" which mostly irritates. I don't see any solution for the curre…

>> But the pop-up won’t let us pass without clicking “agree”. Opting out is an illusion. You can generally just delete the popup from the DOM.

The content blocker extension uBlock Origin already comes with various annoyance filter lists maintained by end-user volunteers that do that automatically.

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock#installation

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