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Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

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Post by Symmetry »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #24
noodlesUK wrote: post #8

What I don’t understand is why the US still doesn’t have widespread testing. If the government lifted restrictions on testing and let people other than CDC and health authorities test for it, most research hospitals and universities (and many other private labs) would be able to test for this disease very easily. The reagents are commercially available, and most other countries are rolling out (or have already rolled…

I believe they said the additional testing will be ready Monday, some places were ready Friday. LabCorp and Quest are two of those that are ready. The labs at the universities and private companies had to verify the results of the tests they created. It's important to note that no other country has widespread testing either. They simply take spit swabs and test a sample of them from a location. It's a much less preci…

There are some pretty widespread differences in testing between countries. They had done over 140,000 tests on Friday compared to about 500 in the US and were getting the tests turned around much faster between application and result. I don't want to make this political either but US testing has until now been disastrous and we really need to revisit the ways in which CDC, HSS, and FDA policies and regulations interact to prevent this from happening in future crises.

Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

#32

Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

Symmetry wrote: post #31
s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe they said the additional testing will be ready Monday, some places were ready Friday. LabCorp and Quest are two of those that are ready. The labs at the universities and private companies had to verify the results of the tests they created. It's important to note that no other country has widespread testing either. They simply take spit swabs and test a sample of them from a location. It's a much less preci…

There are some pretty widespread differences in testing between countries. They had done over 140,000 tests on Friday compared to about 500 in the US and were getting the tests turned around much faster between application and result. I don't want to make this political either but US testing has until now been disastrous and we really need to revisit the ways in which CDC, HSS, and FDA policies and regulations intera…

Many of the regulations were from previous administrations and have already been rolled back.

They have shipped 1.5 million tests out to universities and private labs w/ more being made.

They have created a way for 3rd parties to create their own tests. LabCorp and Quest are already up and running. Many others will be ready Monday.

I'm just happy the administration shut down traffic from China early on, even though the move was labeled as xenophobic, which is silly.

Politicizing is evident when you ignore all the good things and highlight a minor mistake (initial CDC testing limits due to a bad ingredient)

I just don't get what this gets you, especially when they are doing the thing you want them to do.

I'm not sure what else you'd like to be done.

Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

#33

Post by late2part »

spectramax wrote: post #28
pibefision wrote: post #18

Why no quarantine in Germany with this numbers in Italy? Any idea?

Culture? Italians love to touch each other more than other cultures. Sorry if this is offensive to anyone, no offense is meant.

Please don't apologize for asserting your perceived facts.

Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

#35

Post by spectramax »

late2part wrote: post #33
spectramax wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Culture? Italians love to touch each other more than other cultures. Sorry if this is offensive to anyone, no offense is meant.

Please don't apologize for asserting your perceived facts.

Duly noted, thanks.

Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

#36

Post by yread »

noodlesUK wrote: post #8

What I don’t understand is why the US still doesn’t have widespread testing. If the government lifted restrictions on testing and let people other than CDC and health authorities test for it, most research hospitals and universities (and many other private labs) would be able to test for this disease very easily. The reagents are commercially available, and most other countries are rolling out (or have already rolled…

Apart from the bureaucracy there were apparently also some rather embarrassingly elementary technical reasons that the tests didn't work:

https://tomeraltman.net/2020/03/03/technical-problems-COVID-...

Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

#37

Post by Symmetry »

dillonmckay wrote: post #30
Symmetry wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a case of the virus being transmitted that way but it shouldn't be a concern if the plumbing is up to code with things like s-curves in the pipes. There are a lot of viruses and bacteria like norovirus and cholera that are much better at traveling that way than a coronavirus and modern toilet and sewer systems should be designed with that in mind.

I am not talking vent pipes... Larger scale, a decent size rain can upset a wastewater treatment plant, and that is also assuming nobody is dumping waste directly into the river, intentional or otherwise. Additionally, there have been multiple articles of detection via feces. The water treatment plant may be redistributing the virus from an upstream contamination.

In general feces from people infected with various varieties of Coronavirus aren't infectious. You can find segments of RNA in it but, though I'm not an expert on it, the good folks at This Week in Virology think that's just from mucus that's been swallowed. We had one instance of fecal transmission with the first SARS but it wasn't typical the way it is with other viruses and we haven't seen that with the new virus.

Re: Data Submitted by the Italian Civil Defense on COVID19 in Italy, Updated Daily

#39

Post by MarkMc »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #24
noodlesUK wrote: post #8

What I don’t understand is why the US still doesn’t have widespread testing. If the government lifted restrictions on testing and let people other than CDC and health authorities test for it, most research hospitals and universities (and many other private labs) would be able to test for this disease very easily. The reagents are commercially available, and most other countries are rolling out (or have already rolled…

I believe they said the additional testing will be ready Monday, some places were ready Friday. LabCorp and Quest are two of those that are ready. The labs at the universities and private companies had to verify the results of the tests they created. It's important to note that no other country has widespread testing either. They simply take spit swabs and test a sample of them from a location. It's a much less preci…

> I believe they said the additional testing will be ready Monday, some places were ready Friday.

For those places not ready by Friday, I wonder how much effort was put into being ready by Saturday or Sunday instead of Monday...

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