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Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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Poverty. My most recent creative streak was when I had to survive a month on 250CHF in Zürich.

I always do my best programming when I am dead broke and the wolves are at the door.

Pressure of any kind is my best motivator as well. A serious deadline to hit with significant consequences (the consequences don't even have to be mine necessarily) often gets the best work out of me.

Re: Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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I would have thought that problem solving abilities necessitated creativity? If the solution was obvious, where's the problem?

Anecdotally, I was recently cramming a lot of "Leetcode medium" questions to prepare for job interviews, and after a couple of weeks, I was drinking Starbuck's coffee and solving those problems like a machine... seriously, like a machine . I found I did get better (or at least much faster) at recognizing subproblems and quickly composing an overall solution, even if none of the steps was particularly creative. After…

Another anecdote, but when prepping for any sort of competition I used to be a hard-core caffeine consumer (measurable in grams, instead of mg) and it sometimes led to some weird effects.

After a day or two of that level of caffeine intake, I go into an almost trance of productivity and performance. It feels like I'm watching myself do what I need to do, not that I have to 'do it' myself. It's a very strange sensation. It's the same sensation I get when I'm 'in the zone' and competing in something with 100% of my focus on it (emotionally engaged, you might say).

I don't get into that state anywhere close to as easy without caffeine. I've been off caffeine for about 4-5 months now and I've noticed a change. My productivity isn't worse in any measurable way, but it feels different. I wish I could describe it in more relatable terms but I have nothing I can really relate it to.

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Write drunk, edit buzzed, then?

Beer code tends to forget about edge cases in my experience, so yeah

I never remember to put comments in when I am beer-coding.

Caffeine-code is much easier to follow later.

Re: Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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I would have thought that problem solving abilities necessitated creativity? If the solution was obvious, where's the problem?

>In the paper, Zabelina differentiates “convergent” from “divergent” thinking. The former is defined as seeking a specific solution to a problem, for example, the “correct” answer. The latter is characterized by idea generation where a large set of apt, novel or interesting responses would be suitable. Caffeine was shown to improve convergent thinking in the study, while consuming it had no significant impact on divergent thinking.

Yeah, this was a bit was odd. IMO, problem solving begins with 'divergent' thinking and only later converges toward a, or the, solution. A study like this hinges upon how variables like'divergent thinking' were quantified, and there were no examples given of how they tested for either style of thinking here.

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What boosts creativity? I sometimes used alcohol for song writing purposes. Are there healthier methods?

> What boosts creativity?

For me, anything that makes me a little tired so my thoughts wander. Sitting down after a hard workout for example. Another is that time at the end of the day where I worked hard so I'm a bit tired, but I'm not so tired that it's time to sleep yet. I also have to allow it to happen. Sitting down in front of the PS4 or on my phone is not going to let my mind wander.

Re: Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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Thank you for linking to the paper. The study measures the effects of regular caffeine users: > Participants were invited to participate if they were between 18-35 years of age, consumed between 1-2 cups of caffeinated beverages per day at least 5 days a week, did not smoke, were native English speakers, and took no psychiatric medications or painkillers on a regular basis. > [...] > Participants were asked to abstai…

Yeah, seems like a major flaw to tbh.

> Typically, the onset of symptoms starts 12 to 24 hours after caffeine cessation, peaks at 20–51 hours, and may last up to two to nine days.

> The severity of symptoms vary from individual to individual, and most commonly include a headache, fatigue, decreased energy/activeness, decreased alertness, drowsiness, decreased contentedness, depressed mood, difficulty concentrating, irritability, and feeling foggy/not clearheaded

> The incidence or severity of symptoms increased with increases in the daily dose, but abstinence from low doses, such as about one small cup of coffee per day, also produced symptoms of withdrawal.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430790/

Re: Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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Thank you for linking to the paper. The study measures the effects of regular caffeine users: > Participants were invited to participate if they were between 18-35 years of age, consumed between 1-2 cups of caffeinated beverages per day at least 5 days a week, did not smoke, were native English speakers, and took no psychiatric medications or painkillers on a regular basis. > [...] > Participants were asked to abstai…

Of course this is anecdotal and should be taken as such. But I can completely get on board with Pollan's assertion. If I stop caffeine consumption for a few weeks. The day I go back on, even a single coffee puts me into a "oh wow where have you been all my life?!" energized mood of getting stuff done.

Re: Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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Poverty. My most recent creative streak was when I had to survive a month on 250CHF in Zürich.

Hm, I mostly stagnated depressively in front of the TV when I was poor.

Perhaps you were unemployed as well. I had (have, actually) a job, but due to absolutely hilarious (in hindsight of course) circumstances had to spend most of my money on a room I got via AirBnB.

I even started a technical blog:

https://wringing.it/

But I may not be poor enough anymore to continue writing it.

Re: Caffeine boosts problem-solving ability but not creativity, study indicates

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Thank you for linking to the paper. The study measures the effects of regular caffeine users: > Participants were invited to participate if they were between 18-35 years of age, consumed between 1-2 cups of caffeinated beverages per day at least 5 days a week, did not smoke, were native English speakers, and took no psychiatric medications or painkillers on a regular basis. > [...] > Participants were asked to abstai…

This would be a big improvement to the study. As part of preparation for the WoW Classic launch I and the rest of my leveling group quit caffeine for 2 weeks to help reset our tolerance. In order to play as effectively as possible we delayed using caffeine for as long we possible in our sessions so we could play longer. Being used to consuming caffeine on a daily basis it was amazing to see the difference in its effectiveness using that method.
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