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Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Humans are not biologically adapted to surviving on Mars, and for that reason, any settlement to Mars is bound to fail in the long term.

I don't know how fun that would be to roam around with a helmet on your face or live in a giant doom or environment controlled building

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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post #28

Excerpt: "Just iterate, baby" "I’ve spoken with plenty of the earliest engineers who worked at SpaceX, and almost all of them have noted that Musk tackles the hardest engineering problems first. For Mars, there will be so many logistical things to make it all work, from power on the surface to scratching out a living to adapting to its extreme climate. But Musk believes that the initial, hardest step is building a re…

> for the extremely hard problem of getting a super-large vehicle out of Earth’s gravity well into orbit Why does it need to be super-large? To simulate gravity?

Efficiencies of scale. Too small and you can't pack enough food for the trip or proper redundancies, still too small and you can't build the base fast enough, don't bring enough stuff on the trip and you need to make more trips..which are time limited due to the rendezvous. You end up inclined to 'as big as possible'

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed in my life, over the last 20 years, a strong correlation between companies being successful, which means, making money so they can keep paying their employees, and concerns with those companies making their employees work too hard or for too little. Maybe this problem can be solved, by changing the system, but unless you are in a situation where you can avoid competition, until the system is changed comp…

You require a significant amount of equity and board seats assigned to employees or their representatives, so they share in the gains and have control over the direction of the org.

That just means that the employees are more likely to be well taken care of. This intuitively would suggest the company is more likely to be successful, but i think GP's observation is that the opposite might be what we actually see in practice. At least right now.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Is it me, or does this article basically romanticize abusing workers and glorifies running projects without a plan, just with a goal?

I assume that an "all-hands" meeting at 1AM means an all-hands for everybody working the night shift, not the entire staff. Yes, shift work sucks, but that doesn't necessarily mean overwork.

Having several SpaceX employees in my circle of friends, I would not assume that at all.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next week, Musks inbox is flooded with "Weld 28467 is looking slightly bubbly. It'll probably be okay, but wanted to pass the buck to you".

As with actually using an "open-door policy", that's probably a good way to wind up fired.

Yep. It needs to be used intelligently. That's generally how good employees add value.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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post #28

Excerpt: "Just iterate, baby" "I’ve spoken with plenty of the earliest engineers who worked at SpaceX, and almost all of them have noted that Musk tackles the hardest engineering problems first. For Mars, there will be so many logistical things to make it all work, from power on the surface to scratching out a living to adapting to its extreme climate. But Musk believes that the initial, hardest step is building a re…

> for the extremely hard problem of getting a super-large vehicle out of Earth’s gravity well into orbit Why does it need to be super-large? To simulate gravity?

People need to live in it. A 1 Kg probe can take some pictures, the tiny Apollo Lunar Module was 16,400Kg and only designed to support 2 people for 75 hours. Meanwhile Mars (3.72 m/s²) has significantly more gravity than the Moon (1.62 m/s²), making a trip back from the surface even more difficult.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You require a significant amount of equity and board seats assigned to employees or their representatives, so they share in the gains and have control over the direction of the org.

That just means that the employees are more likely to be well taken care of. This intuitively would suggest the company is more likely to be successful, but i think GP's observation is that the opposite might be what we actually see in practice. At least right now.

The model I suggest is used in Germany, and works well for both the business and the workers. On a smaller scale, Costco implements something similar in the US with positive results (Customers and employees before shareholders, but shareholders still profit).

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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post #28

Excerpt: "Just iterate, baby" "I’ve spoken with plenty of the earliest engineers who worked at SpaceX, and almost all of them have noted that Musk tackles the hardest engineering problems first. For Mars, there will be so many logistical things to make it all work, from power on the surface to scratching out a living to adapting to its extreme climate. But Musk believes that the initial, hardest step is building a re…

> for the extremely hard problem of getting a super-large vehicle out of Earth’s gravity well into orbit Why does it need to be super-large? To simulate gravity?

Tonnage. If you're wanting to move 7/8 figure tonnage loads over a period of time, you're going to need a big trunk.

In space vehicles, that means everything gets really, really big.

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