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Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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I had same reaction, it happened in Torino, Italy. I've no idea why I am being downvoted for reporting simply what she told me.

No doctor is dumb enough to give antibiotics for a virus.

They don't know it's Coronavirus tho, they didn't test for it.

Calling it Corona is just my speculation based on who she worked with in the clinic where she's a nurse.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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No doctor is dumb enough to give antibiotics for a virus.

They don't know it's Coronavirus tho, they didn't test for it. Calling it Corona is just my speculation based on who she worked with in the clinic where she's a nurse.

So "This was Coronavirus" was actually bullshit.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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Yesterday one friend's mom had respiratory failure and got hard - locked jaws. This was Coronavirus She was administered intravenous antibiotics and Cortisol After that she got bit better

I have a hard time believing that both a doctor would administer antibiotics for coronaVIRUS and that antibiotics would be of any use there. Edit: Children comments are pointing out the antibiotics could be for secondary infections. Fair enough, but the parent comment's implication that the antibiotics helped with coronavirus recovery is what's problematic.

Antibiotics prevent secondary bacterial infection that exploit the immune system occupied with the primary viral infection.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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Yesterday one friend's mom had respiratory failure and got hard - locked jaws. This was Coronavirus She was administered intravenous antibiotics and Cortisol After that she got bit better

I have a hard time believing that both a doctor would administer antibiotics for coronaVIRUS and that antibiotics would be of any use there. Edit: Children comments are pointing out the antibiotics could be for secondary infections. Fair enough, but the parent comment's implication that the antibiotics helped with coronavirus recovery is what's problematic.

Antibiotics could be administered to reduce the chance of getting a secondary bacterial infection in the lungs weakened by the virus. Cortisol would increase your cell regeneration rate, helping marginally.

It's a rough equivalent of disinfecting a wound and putting a band-aid on it. Better than nothing, but doesn't address the issue directly.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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Is it the case that SARS (of many years ago) had a vaccine developed for it, but it had too many side effects or was not effective enough to get past trials? And that while this virus is different it is similar in many respects... leading me to think that a vaccine may also be difficult to produce.

Yes, the SARS vaccine virtually guaranteed severe lung scarring if you were re-exposed to full-strength SARS:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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This is SARS type 2; please stop using COVID-19. > distinction between a disease caused by a specific virus and the virus that causes it The virus is also called SARS-CoV-2.

I dunno, I think that one's on the scientists. Expecting the general public to maintain a nominal distinction between a disease caused by a specific virus and the virus that causes it isn't reasonable.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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Ctrl+F "remdesivir". No results in the article. Epic fail. There's really no cure for the Trump Derangement Syndrome, though.

If anyone reading is concerned that the author is being too harsh on Trump's "surreal" summit on Monday (which certainly could be possible despite being heavily credentialed), please judge for yourselves:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres...

>THE PRESIDENT: ... You take a solid flu vaccine — you don’t think that would have an impact or much of an impact on corona?

>DR. SCHLEIFER: No.

>DR. FAUCI: Probably not.

>THE PRESIDENT: Probably not. That’s separate.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hard time believing that both a doctor would administer antibiotics for coronaVIRUS and that antibiotics would be of any use there. Edit: Children comments are pointing out the antibiotics could be for secondary infections. Fair enough, but the parent comment's implication that the antibiotics helped with coronavirus recovery is what's problematic.

I had same reaction, it happened in Torino, Italy. I've no idea why I am being downvoted for reporting simply what she told me.

You are downvoted for passing off your uneducated (in the field of health) opinion that her illness was coronavirus as fact, and for implying that antibiotics somehow could help with the coronavirus directly (i.e. in fighting the virus not preventing secondary infections) in any way (they can't).

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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post #15

Yesterday one friend's mom had respiratory failure and got hard - locked jaws. This was Coronavirus She was administered intravenous antibiotics and Cortisol After that she got bit better

I have a hard time believing that both a doctor would administer antibiotics for coronaVIRUS and that antibiotics would be of any use there. Edit: Children comments are pointing out the antibiotics could be for secondary infections. Fair enough, but the parent comment's implication that the antibiotics helped with coronavirus recovery is what's problematic.

Lockjaw is a known bacterial infection where antibiotics would be useful. My guess is no virus was involved and the grandparent misunderstood what the doctors said.

Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic

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This kind of "appeal to authority" argument reminds me of the recent interview with an industry "veteran" (60 years experience in developing combustion engines) and professor where he condemned electric cars and claimed they will not help the climate. Being experienced doesn't mean you can't be foolish/dogmatic or simply wrong. And it doesn't always take an even more experienced researcher to prove someone wrong. I w…

Maybe you and m0zg reading it a little heavy. m0zg appears to be implying that in the collaboration between Derek Lowe and the professionals he has talked to to write this article, nobody is aware of remdesivir, or, alternatively, that they are aware, that they explicitly chose not to write it / to accord their contribution to the article without requiring that it is mentioned, and that makes them unqualified hacks.…

"This is not an appeal to authority fallacy"

...yeah it is. Remdesivir has improved patient outcomes in the majority of cases it's been used so far - no, it hasn't been subject to comprehensive peer-reviewed study quite yet, but that's an awful reason to ignore our eyes in an emergent situation like this where death may be the alternative, and highly irresponsible for Derek Lowe to ignore. You're appealing to it being proper to ignore because authorities feel they haven't gone through enough red tape yet.

Am I wrong in observing that the public health response to the outbreak seems to be far less oriented towards solving the problem, but rather using psychological tactics to convince people that everything is fine, "the risk is low", and doing nothing is the proper response? (but also you're probably going to get the virus, so prepare for that, but only by washing your hands and certainly not preparing in a way that disrupts globalism)

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