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Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by konradha »

saiya-jin wrote: post #15
philshem wrote: post #2

As a Swiss resident, I'm happy to see a federal-level decision that is effective immediately and made despite economic pressure to keep the status quo. Cancelled are the Geneva Auto Show (600k+ guests), Basel Fasnacht (carnival), and many other popular events (concerts and sporting events) with more than 1000 people.

> Cancelled are the Geneva Auto Show (600k+ guests), Basel Fasnacht (carnival), and many other popular events (concerts and sporting events) with more than 1000 people. This ain't true based on few web checks, for now they decided to go on (although I believe they will cancel eventually as cases ramp up in following days). I wanted to go like every year since its in my backyard and it takes 20 min bus ride, but not u…

Of course it's cancelled, Berset put 1000 people as a hard maximum with events with below 1000 people attending only allowed under risk assessment measures (ie. they might even cancel events below that threshold).

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by Angostura »

roenxi wrote: post #3

Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.

I've always found Switzerland pretty authoritarian. Try hang out your washing on the wrong day of the week/in the wrong place.

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by _xoo »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #26
greatpatton wrote: post #19

I'm wondering currently we have 40-60 cases in other EU countries all originating in Italy, but there are only 650 official cases in Italy. Based on this, it seems that the infection is widely widespread in Italy and the number of "undetected case" should be important (maybe for instance with a lot of asymptomatic carriers) Is there any model to predict this type of dispersion? Any interesting article on this subject…

I've been wondering for a while why countries do not test people randomly like in phone surveys, i.e.randomly pick several thousand persons from a region and test them. Like in phone surveys you need to compensate for biases created from people declining to be tested, of course. It would be expensive, but it seems to me that it would yield a good picture of what is going on. Maybe I'm missing something obvious and th…

In Switzerland they currently have a good picture of whats going on. They were able to trace backe where all infected people got the disease from.

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by config_yml »

roenxi wrote: post #3

Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.

There's a law for that and it's democratically legitimized: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20071012/...

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by CaptainZapp »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #28
CaptainZapp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, as a Swiss I can only state for the record that the government is not the enemy. Essentially: The government is us.

Swiss resident (but not Swiss citizen) here. I believe Switzerland is a very unique case in that the Swiss have a culture of local (ie. Canton and Commune) level decision making via direct democracy. You grow up wielding a certain power, and you know your decisions matter and will affect your everyday life. This ingrains a close relationship between the citizens and their representatives. What I'm trying to say is th…

I agree and you do raise a very important point.

One of the hall marks of the Swiss system is to push as much power as possible to as locally as possible.

Communities have a lot of power in their decision making as long as such decisions do not violate cantonal (state) or federal laws.

It demands, though, quite intense interaction with policies and referendums (there are usually about three referendums about various subjects on local, cantonal and federal level per year) and that said, I would wish that there would be more engagement and a higher ratio of voters actually going to the polls.

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by deepaksurti »

roenxi wrote: post #3

Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.

Switzerland is a rare example of a country with instruments of direct democracy (at the levels of the municipalities, cantons, and federal state), excerpted from [1] which has more details of how Switzerland implements direct democracy in pure format and in combination with federal structures.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy#Switzerland

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by teekert »

roenxi wrote: post #3

Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.

People are elected to make decisions for us. We hold them responsible at the next election. That is the currently what democracy is.

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by RajuVarghese »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #28
CaptainZapp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, as a Swiss I can only state for the record that the government is not the enemy. Essentially: The government is us.

Swiss resident (but not Swiss citizen) here. I believe Switzerland is a very unique case in that the Swiss have a culture of local (ie. Canton and Commune) level decision making via direct democracy. You grow up wielding a certain power, and you know your decisions matter and will affect your everyday life. This ingrains a close relationship between the citizens and their representatives. What I'm trying to say is th…

It also requires a certain willingness to compromise. In Switzerland one sees is all the way from the local government (gemeinde) up to the top (the federal level). Compromise is not a dirty word here; when politicians do it they are not (usually) looked at as 'giving in to the enemy'.

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by CaptainZapp »

RajuVarghese wrote: post #38
short_sells_poo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss resident (but not Swiss citizen) here. I believe Switzerland is a very unique case in that the Swiss have a culture of local (ie. Canton and Commune) level decision making via direct democracy. You grow up wielding a certain power, and you know your decisions matter and will affect your everyday life. This ingrains a close relationship between the citizens and their representatives. What I'm trying to say is th…

It also requires a certain willingness to compromise. In Switzerland one sees is all the way from the local government (gemeinde) up to the top (the federal level). Compromise is not a dirty word here; when politicians do it they are not (usually) looked at as 'giving in to the enemy'.

That's an extremely insightful comment and very true.

Not that it's universally adhered to by all proponents, but generally that's very much the understanding how the system should work.

As a for example: Switzerland has a "president". But that doesn't really matter since that changes annually and another member of the federal council gets to be president.

Except representative the "president" is not more powerful than any other member of the council.

Re: Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events

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Post by simplecto »

curiousgal wrote: post #22
spreiti wrote: post #21

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I love these small coincidences that remind us of how small the internet has made the world!

Agreed! HN and some subreddits are unique in this way. This is what keeps me coming back...
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