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HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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I've been thinking about getting a microserver. I already have a Synology NAS but I'd like something a bit more powerful to host Nextclound and a couple apps. The Gen8 Microservers seemed neat, but they are getting old and rarer on eBay. Gen10 seems like a step back performance and feature wise. With ILO not available (or a $100 upgrade), what is the benefit for a home / small business / enthusiast user of a Microser…

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Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#32
post #10

This absolutely needs a way to add an SSD for OS and fast storage, so the 4 3.5" slots can be used for a ZFS stripped mirror (Raid10-like).

If you use FreeNAS, you can simply load it into memory from a small usb stick and use the SATA drives for that stripped mirror.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#33

I've been thinking about getting a microserver. I already have a Synology NAS but I'd like something a bit more powerful to host Nextclound and a couple apps. The Gen8 Microservers seemed neat, but they are getting old and rarer on eBay. Gen10 seems like a step back performance and feature wise. With ILO not available (or a $100 upgrade), what is the benefit for a home / small business / enthusiast user of a Microser…

"[...] host Nextclound [sic] and a couple apps"

So, what are these "couple apps"? You already have a decent storage solution. You might consider a RPi 4 with 4G RAM for NextCloud and some apps.

Other than that, I personally like the ASRock DeskMini A300. Slap an Athlon in it, and call it a day (keep in mind you need a "G"-Processor, with iGPU!).

At home, I've built a homeserver around a X470 and Ryzen 5 2600 - it runs everything using Unraid: Storage, Home-Assistant, PLEX, Node-RED, Grafana for the living room display, the secondary pi-hole instance, and also my personal Gaming VM. It runs at 15% load during idle, drawing 70 W (including Vega 56 GPU).

I'm pretty happy with my setup.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#34

I've been thinking about getting a microserver. I already have a Synology NAS but I'd like something a bit more powerful to host Nextclound and a couple apps. The Gen8 Microservers seemed neat, but they are getting old and rarer on eBay. Gen10 seems like a step back performance and feature wise. With ILO not available (or a $100 upgrade), what is the benefit for a home / small business / enthusiast user of a Microser…

The Microserver line is aimed at corporations who want to send out a local office server that they will maintain remotely; the local office might not have a rack or any other infrastructure besides a router-switch combo. Size is important. HP custom builds the case and the motherboard: repair is expected to take the form of swapping the whole box, possibly sliding the disks in and out.

If you don't care about size, you can do much better for cheaper, and be able to replace everything with standard parts if you have problems in the future.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#35
post #10

This absolutely needs a way to add an SSD for OS and fast storage, so the 4 3.5" slots can be used for a ZFS stripped mirror (Raid10-like).

I have an older Microserver (not sure which one), it had spare SATA ports and I put an SSD in one of them, slotted it in some free space and now have RAIDZ on all four disks.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#36
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TDP is largely irrelevant. You are interested in either energy per task or power for availability, neither of which you can figure out from a datasheet. The latter is essentially the same as idle power, but depends on what services you run.

Sounds like vbezhenar cares about being woken up at night by a noisy server, in that case maximum power draw regardless of load is what matters.

Why do you expect high load at night?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#37
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like vbezhenar cares about being woken up at night by a noisy server, in that case maximum power draw regardless of load is what matters.

Why do you expect high load at night?

Backups come to mind. For me, I schedule them at night.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#38

I don't like: * Pentium G5420 has 54W TDP. That's a lot. It'll be noisy under load. I'd prefer something like Celeron G4932E with 27W. I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. * iLO enablement kit is $100 and need physical delivery. No more $5 ebay key. That's a shame for home consumer. Also I was not able to find a price. Hoping for the best. Buying Gen8 for $300 with cheap iLO key was a gre…

> Also I was not able to find a price. Hoping for the best. Buying Gen8 for $300 with cheap iLO key was a great purchase

UK Pricing direct from HPE - expect sticker shock

https://www.hpe.com/uk/en/product-catalog/servers/proliant-s...

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus E-2224 S100i 4LFF-NHP 180W External PS Server P16006-421 £ 839 * inc VAT

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus E-2224 S100i 4LFF-NHP 1TB 180W External PS Server P18584-421 £ 922 * inc VAT

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus G5420 8GB-U S100i 4LFF-NHP 180W External PS Server P16005-421 £ 629 * inc VAT

HPE iLO Advanced 1-server License with 1yr Support on iLO Licensed Features 512485-B21 £ 394 * inc VAT

HPE iLO Advanced Flexible Quantity License with 1yr Support on iLO Licensed Features 512486-B21 £ 394 * inc VAT

HPE iLO Advanced Flexible Quantity License with 3yr Support on iLO Licensed Features BD506A £ 444 * inc VAT

HPE 16GB (1x16GB) Dual Rank x8 DDR4-2666 CAS-19-19-19 Unbuffered Standard Memory Kit 879507-B21 £ 236 * inc VAT

HPE 8GB (1x8GB) Single Rank x8 DDR4-2666 CAS-19-19-19 Unbuffered Standard Memory Kit 879505-B21 £ 174 * inc VAT

HPE Trusted Platform Module 2.0 Gen10 Option 864279-B21 £ 66 * inc VAT

HPE MicroServer Gen10 SFF NHP SATA Converter Kit 870213-B21 £ 11 * inc VAT

HPE 1TB SATA 6G Entry 7.2K LFF (3.5in) RW 1yr Wty HDD 843266-B21 £ 96 * inc VAT

HPE 4TB SATA 6G Midline 7.2K LFF (3.5in) RW 1yr Wty HDD 801888-B21 £ 419 * inc VAT

HPE Mobile USB DVD-RW Optical Drive 701498-B21 £ 119 * inc VAT

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#39

I don't like: * Pentium G5420 has 54W TDP. That's a lot. It'll be noisy under load. I'd prefer something like Celeron G4932E with 27W. I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. * iLO enablement kit is $100 and need physical delivery. No more $5 ebay key. That's a shame for home consumer. Also I was not able to find a price. Hoping for the best. Buying Gen8 for $300 with cheap iLO key was a gre…

TDP is such a meaningless stat to criticize. People still caring about TDP is a huge pet peeve of mine. The TDP is a nearly entirely fictional number your modern CPU will never operate at.

Especially in a home server, the CPU will be maxed out 0.001% of its life, if that. The only stat that matters is idle power, which it will be at for the majority of its life.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#40
post #9

Since it is now an intel, does it come with an integrated backdoor like the other "server-grade" hardware?

Why the downvotes? It's a legitimate question: ME/AMT can be neutralized or disabled.

Bios can be replaced with coreboot.

Some buyers and some vendors actually care about security.

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