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Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you handle the us government censoring newspapers, Wikipedia, etcetc if this is your demand?

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> Wikipedia can fall back on the individual editors' rights

Can it? Then why couldn't any other company similarly fall back on to the rights of their employees. e.g. whoever is compiling the data being sold in the telecom case.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Sounds like I have an equal first amendment right to publicly expose the personal cell phone numbers and home addresses of every lawyer, corporate executive, and lobbyist who think this is a good idea.

No you don't. Those folks are a different class of people than you, a better class, a class that deserves privacy - us peons aren't important enough to have to worry about that stuff. That's what they'll argue anyway. They'll use different words, but whatever words they use will carry that message.

Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

#33

Sure. Just get the corporate entity to say a single word. No representatives. No notes. No proxies. No robots. No automated voices. The actual corporate legal entity. Not even the CEO. No clever stand-ins with same name. Just one mouthed, audible word to confirm the entity can qualify for speech. Then we can consider "free speech" for that entity. I can only dream this would hold up even as I know there are likely do…

Corporations are simply machines operated by humans much as an automobile, lawnmower, or piano is. None of those items have rights either.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

#34
Great: furniture movers should also have the free speech right to talk about my address, describe all my possessions, etc.

I hire those assholes to transport my bits, unmodified except for TTL, from my endpoint to a peer, no more, no less. Since they have a de facto monopoly I don’t even have the ability to choose an alternative. This exploitative crap must be stopped.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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post #28
post #17

watering down freedom of speech because why not

As soon as companies and businesses were considered "people" and got the same rights, it all became a farce.

Corporate personhood is a centuries old idea. It is what enables you to sign a contract with a company, for example.

As a counter example that shows they are still not fully "people": a corporation cannot adopt a child or get married.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

#36

If municipalities stop giving them local monopolies they can have rights again. Until then, they should be beholden to strict rules.

What monopoly? Here in Palo Alto I have full consumer “choice”: comcast or att.

I have to use crapcast (though goes down each night) as att, despite their ads, will only provision me 768kb DSL though I’m less than a mile from the CO/DSLAMS (and the PAIX for that matter)

I assume elsewhere the two companies have a deal where comcast is slow and att is faster. Of course the competition authorities and fcc are utterly supine.

Palo Alto used to run its own infrastructure but over the years stupid privatization has gradually shed phone, TV, garbage collection, parking enforcement and such for inferior, more expensive private services. I expect power and water to fall next.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

#37
post #34

Great: furniture movers should also have the free speech right to talk about my address, describe all my possessions, etc. I hire those assholes to transport my bits, unmodified except for TTL, from my endpoint to a peer, no more, no less. Since they have a de facto monopoly I don’t even have the ability to choose an alternative. This exploitative crap must be stopped.

Furniture movers do have that free speech right. It's completely kosher for them to chat with some friends in a bar about how weird your possessions are or how hard it was to get to your address. Maybe ISPs should have special restrictions the same way medical providers do, but there's no general principle that people who discover private things about you aren't allowed to talk about it.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

#38
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you don't. Those folks are a different class of people than you, a better class, a class that deserves privacy - us peons aren't important enough to have to worry about that stuff. That's what they'll argue anyway. They'll use different words, but whatever words they use will carry that message.

Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?

You’d go to jail like weev did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev

AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&T’s negligence (instead of, say, selling or publishing the list, or emailing them malware, et c).

He did a few years in federal, mostly in solitary.

I witnessed the terrible effects it had on his health and psyche. He was never the same person again after he got out. Solitary confinement is torture.

sophocles is right. There are two sets of laws in America, and the bigger one applies to you and not them. If you don’t show sufficient respect for their authority and the more restrictive set of rules they apply to your lower-status group, they will stretch their own rules to the point where you will be railroaded and subsequently tortured.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

#39
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you don't. Those folks are a different class of people than you, a better class, a class that deserves privacy - us peons aren't important enough to have to worry about that stuff. That's what they'll argue anyway. They'll use different words, but whatever words they use will carry that message.

Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?

> what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization

Hard to say with any certainty, but there is the case of the founder of a certain Wikileaks-type organization currently playing out that you might want to look at...

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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post #33

Sure. Just get the corporate entity to say a single word. No representatives. No notes. No proxies. No robots. No automated voices. The actual corporate legal entity. Not even the CEO. No clever stand-ins with same name. Just one mouthed, audible word to confirm the entity can qualify for speech. Then we can consider "free speech" for that entity. I can only dream this would hold up even as I know there are likely do…

Corporations are simply machines operated by humans much as an automobile, lawnmower, or piano is. None of those items have rights either.

For better or worse, reams of corporate law exist to make this not true.

Your piano, for example, can't employ me.

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