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If anybody is interested I have a database of roughly 4B IPv4 addresses for sale:)
Could you please remove mine under article 17 of the GDPR? :D
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This seems like a bit of an over reach no? I've looked up wire fraud in the US and it seems to come with some properly serious penalties: Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication i…
No? The use of deception to obtain something of value that would not otherwise be given to you is the literal, legal definition of fraud?
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If he misrepresented himself in order to gain a financial advantage then that is fraud. Creating shell companies is not illegal, using a name fir yourself that isn’t your legal name is not illegal, doing either of those things in order to trick people into giving you money is.
Not just financial advantage, all deceit where you intend to gain from it is fraud. Money just makes it more obvious what the gain was. Are there grey areas? Sure. In particular there's a passive sort of deceit in which you let people assume things that you know aren't true, to your benefit. Mostly the law holds that it's their mistake for not asking, and anyway they'd usually be far too embarrassed to make a fuss if…
Except if you're a magician, of course!
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No? The use of deception to obtain something of value that would not otherwise be given to you is the literal, legal definition of fraud?
So, where does that leave advertising? The entire purpose of advertising is to get somebody to spend money on a product they otherwise wouldn't have.
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It was done to deceive ARIN which is why it is being considered wire fraud.
This seems like a bit of an over reach no? I've looked up wire fraud in the US and it seems to come with some properly serious penalties: Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication i…
Hmm. I "obtained" 2^32 IPv4 addresses pretty easily; not sure if it's legitimate or not: for addr in range(2**32): print('.'.join([str(addr >> (i Edit: Well, this was unpopular. In case it's too subtle, my point is that the title is terrible.
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There's nothing wrong with the title. Obtained means "To get hold of; to gain possession of, to procure; to acquire, in any way".
Which is quite literally what my script does :) Think about if the title said "800K email addresses obtained illegitimately", and what you would interpret the meaning of that to be.
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No? The use of deception to obtain something of value that would not otherwise be given to you is the literal, legal definition of fraud?
So, where does that leave advertising? The entire purpose of advertising is to get somebody to spend money on a product they otherwise wouldn't have.
Advertisement tends to deal in opinions, not facts. And where specific factual claims are made against better knowledge it does constitute fraud, and is occasionally prosecuted. See Volkswagen's emissions claims, for example. Or, just this week, some hand sanitiser got hit by the FDA for claiming protection against Ebola and Coronavirus.
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A prosecution seems a bit over the top for this... Setting up multiple companies to meet some rule isnt against said rule. And anyway, it's a company policy not the law.
It was done to deceive ARIN which is why it is being considered wire fraud.