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Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by standardUser »

Bogdanp wrote: post #3

I know these people willingly shared this information in public, but, for whatever reason, this compilation makes me uncomfortable. EDIT to clarify: what makes me uncomfortable about this is not the broad range of salaries. I don't find that surprising at all. It's gathering all this information together and associating it with people's names (and complete bios!) that bothers me. Some of them may find they want to de…

Generally, people who brag about something or like to show off are less likely to be on the average or below average segment of the distribution.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by senordevnyc »

j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by lazyasciiart »

j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

That is a very surprising interpretation to me. What made you think the author was thinking about anyone outside the US?

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by bibobap »

j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

> A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their salary information.

It might inspire them to move, or work remotely, etc.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by tnolet »

j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

Yes. This is the same vibe I got. A dick measuring contest between the 1% SV based software developers. But wrapped in a “help the world” message.

The information is fascinating though. And we could have misread the subtext.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

caev wrote: post #23
paulgb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just a spreadsheet of tweets that share salary info, where do you see an implication that everyone should earn the same salary? I believe this is intended to help people negotiate. Those of us who have a network of friends in tech get this information informally that way, but salary sharing like this gives people who don't have that network a starting point (albeit one riddled with selection bias and low samp…

This is what the first tweet was about, it was talking about fixing inequality "especially for underrepresented groups like women and minorities" I don't think it's helping clueless people to know what they could earn, these kind of information are available everywhere, such as Glassdoor, and they are anonymously published.

What’s wrong with more data? Levels skews only to US based salaries while Glassdoor weighs older salaries excessively (thereby skewing lower).

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by quelltext »

grumple wrote: post #17
Bogdanp wrote: post #3

I know these people willingly shared this information in public, but, for whatever reason, this compilation makes me uncomfortable. EDIT to clarify: what makes me uncomfortable about this is not the broad range of salaries. I don't find that surprising at all. It's gathering all this information together and associating it with people's names (and complete bios!) that bothers me. Some of them may find they want to de…

It includes people from all over the world. US skilled salaries are usually 2x+ (not just for tech, but also things like healthcare) salaries in Europe. Remember they have social safety nets and lower costs for things like education and healthcare, we do not. Also this list has a very small sample size, and very few people from big tech, otherwise the pay would skew significantly higher.

Uhm, safety nets etc. do not really offset this. That's because Europe also has higher taxes though/autodeductions.

When someone in Germany casually says 50k per year pre tax, they typically mean pre deductions (tax and social/health insurance) and the effective received money is more around 25k per year.

People in the US underestimate how much of ones salary a European has to give up for that safety net.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by j7ake »

senordevnyc wrote: post #32
j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.

Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by tnolet »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #33
j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

That is a very surprising interpretation to me. What made you think the author was thinking about anyone outside the US?

Not OP, but it’s kinda besides the point. Using Twitter for this makes it global by default.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by pansa2 »

colinbartlett wrote: post #29
myth_drannon wrote: post #27

I wonder how many people are going to get fired for their tweets. I see some very famous names severely underpaid, curious if they are going to get a bump in their salary or get fired.

In the US, the National Labor Relations Act expressly forbids employers from preventing employees from discussing wages. So it’s certainly not legal for a company to fire someone for their tweet, at least in the US.

Isn’t it true that you can be fired in the US without being given a reason?

Incidentally, I’ve always thought this was one of the reasons US salaries are so high. Employees in the US are almost comparable to contractors in Europe (who are paid significantly more than permanent employees).

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