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Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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I never understood the claim that smart switches on LED lightbulbs will conserve energy. The duty cycle of the average light bulb is fairly low; I would guess they are switched on for If so, adding a ‘smart switch’ that uses 0.5W to a lighting fixture that has a 10W LED light bulb increases its average power usage by about 50%. You must be fairly sloppy to make that a gain, compared to a manually operated switch.

Lots of people have gotten lazy about turning off lights since LED is so cheap. E.g. I think our kitchen light is on around 12 hours per day because the switch isn't very convenient. Or the garage light - if it's left on during the day, it probably won't be noticed until morning. Also kids tend not to turn lights off. But yeah, even if you are saving money, smart switches are pretty expensive. It will take a while to…

> Also kids tend not to turn lights off.

Teach your kids ? What is this laziness of saying "kids won't do X" ?

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To calculate the math more correctly, a 1W smart plug is contributing $0.09/month to the $400 electrical bill quoted. This is a stellar example of a micro-optimization, in programming terms. Focusing on big spenders like "anything with a pump" and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I once upgraded video cards, reducing my computer's power draw by 180W and lowering my electric…

> ... and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I never measured it, but there was one area that I quickly put a Tasmota plug on. My stereo receiver under the TV. One day I was putting around the den and I noticed a lot of heat emanating from the credenza under the TV. It was my Sony receiver just sitting there, dutifully amplifying the null input from the turned-off TV. So I ad…

I have an old radio shack power strip that shuts on/off according to a power draw in the first socket. Not sure, but is likely someone else makes one of these.

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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We recently installed two Curbs (energycurb.com) in our house and it's not only been very educating but also made it possible to zero in on the largest consumers. Upgrading the water heater to a heat pump unit took us from barely breaking even on our PV to a daily surplus of about 3kWh. The next largest consumers are the file server running 24/7 in the basement and my work machine.

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To calculate the math more correctly, a 1W smart plug is contributing $0.09/month to the $400 electrical bill quoted. This is a stellar example of a micro-optimization, in programming terms. Focusing on big spenders like "anything with a pump" and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I once upgraded video cards, reducing my computer's power draw by 180W and lowering my electric…

> ... and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I never measured it, but there was one area that I quickly put a Tasmota plug on. My stereo receiver under the TV. One day I was putting around the den and I noticed a lot of heat emanating from the credenza under the TV. It was my Sony receiver just sitting there, dutifully amplifying the null input from the turned-off TV. So I ad…

I use an amplifier as a small space heater for a particularly cold corner of my home :)

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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Seems stunning that you could charge an electric car for 8 months without realizing you're not on a TOU plan.

We've got an EV and rooftop solar, and while I knew it was going to be an arbitrage scheme to begin with (with Net Metering, you don't use your solar to charge your car, you absolutely don't want to charge your car while the sun is shining), it was surprising to me to what extent usage had nothing to do with production. They're 2 entirely different things you treat entirely separately.

I thought I understood NEM2.0 pretty well (here in CA). Instead of the old NEM1.0, where 1kWh of generation = 1kWh of usage credit, it's bucketed by time of day. I actually thought NEM2.0 would be better for us than NEM1.0 -- we have generous peak hours (1pm-7pm) so we generate a TON of electricity off the roof at up to 38c/kWh during the day, and consume most of our power at much lower rates overnight. So 1kWh generated might be worth 2kWh into the car!

What I didn't factor in was that NEM2.0 credits are bucketed by month, and the consequences of that.

Yes, it means we generate very little in the winter, while our usage is just as high as in the summer, but that would wash out over the course of a year.. except for tiering! It hadn't crossed my mind how much tier 2+ usage we'd have in the winter. Which means it actually can pay off to charge the car at work in the winter, while it's pointless in the summer.

We're on a grandfathered TOU plan that I wanted to keep for those generous generation credits, but I'm thinking of moving to an EV plan because the much cheaper charging rates might offset the more-generous peak hour timing and credits. (peak would be 4-9pm though, which means we generate less during peak, and we also use more at peak, since typically we get home around 7pm, all of our evening usage would still be at peak).

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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> The real shocker was when I decided to measure only the Wemo mini smart plug with nothing connected was costing me $0.31/day. I can't buy this. That's 3,100 Wh each day, or roughly 130W constant usage. That much energy being dissipated in the plastic housing would be burning hot to the touch, or melt it. I'd wager he's off by a couple orders of magnitude. 1.3W is much more likely for a smart plug to draw. The 55W h…

Based on the photo in the post, the Kill A Watt is calculating his costs. He doesn't show the actual wattage reading from the Kill A Watt, so it seems to me like the price is set incorrectly on the Kill A Watt.

-- Addendum

I happened to have a Kill A Watt and Wemo lying around, and with no devices attached, the Watt reading ranges between 0.5W to 0.7W with no device attached and the Wemo set to the OFF state. When the Wemo is set to the ON state with no devices, the reading ranges from 1.2W to 1.3W, which is a noticeable jump.

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

#37

> The real shocker was when I decided to measure only the Wemo mini smart plug with nothing connected was costing me $0.31/day. I can't buy this. That's 3,100 Wh each day, or roughly 130W constant usage. That much energy being dissipated in the plastic housing would be burning hot to the touch, or melt it. I'd wager he's off by a couple orders of magnitude. 1.3W is much more likely for a smart plug to draw. The 55W h…

He has to be off, way off. He's not using $4/mo on an Echo at 10c/kWh. We pay more than double that rate and our electric bills were frequently under $50/mo before we got an EV.

The one thing I learned using my kill-a-watt a few years back, is that "vampire draw" is likely something that only applies to VCRs from the 80s. I plugged it into a power strip full of USB and Apple chargers, and the consumption over a week is stunningly close to 0.

Every small device I measured was utterly insignificant, despite all the articles over the past decade telling you to plug all your chargers into a power strip and flip it off when not in use.

Bigger things I can understand. Our "smart TV" almost certainly draws tens of watts in spying^H^H^H^H^H^H standby mode.

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To calculate the math more correctly, a 1W smart plug is contributing $0.09/month to the $400 electrical bill quoted. This is a stellar example of a micro-optimization, in programming terms. Focusing on big spenders like "anything with a pump" and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I once upgraded video cards, reducing my computer's power draw by 180W and lowering my electric…

> ... and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I never measured it, but there was one area that I quickly put a Tasmota plug on. My stereo receiver under the TV. One day I was putting around the den and I noticed a lot of heat emanating from the credenza under the TV. It was my Sony receiver just sitting there, dutifully amplifying the null input from the turned-off TV. So I ad…

Home Assistant is great! I flashed a cheap ES8266 RGB Led controller with ESPruna firmware and hooked it up to HA over MQTT. What are some of your hardware recommendations? I also have a Zigbee/Z-Wave dongle for the RPi, so I'm not limited to WiFi only.

Re: Thinking About Smart Home Power Usage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To calculate the math more correctly, a 1W smart plug is contributing $0.09/month to the $400 electrical bill quoted. This is a stellar example of a micro-optimization, in programming terms. Focusing on big spenders like "anything with a pump" and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I once upgraded video cards, reducing my computer's power draw by 180W and lowering my electric…

> ... and "anything that generates heat" would contribute significantly to reductions. I never measured it, but there was one area that I quickly put a Tasmota plug on. My stereo receiver under the TV. One day I was putting around the den and I noticed a lot of heat emanating from the credenza under the TV. It was my Sony receiver just sitting there, dutifully amplifying the null input from the turned-off TV. So I ad…

Alternatively, you can get a $20 power bar[1] that has one outlet that determines the on/off state of the remaining plugs based on the current draw of that one outlet. No Home Assistant required.

I use one to power off a bunch of devices when my computer sleeps.

1: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01G6VTIDG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_...

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