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Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by kyuudou »

bitL wrote: post #15
foxyv wrote: post #10

Lately I've been doing 7 day fasts two times a year mostly to reduce visceral fat and reduce my chance of type 2 diabetes. However a lot of science is pointing to it being a good way to reduce cancer risk. Nothing definitive, but it's nice to think I may be helping my body fight possible cancer too. Maybe I will catch some of these things early during these phases where the genes are present but the cancer hasn't beg…

7 days fasting (electrolytes-only) gives me a week-long euphoria afterwards, but days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases, so persevering those is a bit tricky. It also leads to 10-12lb weight loss.

A lot of that loss is water weight, though.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by bitL »

foxyv wrote: post #29
bitL wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

7 days fasting (electrolytes-only) gives me a week-long euphoria afterwards, but days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases, so persevering those is a bit tricky. It also leads to 10-12lb weight loss.

Lately I've been trying supplementation of potassium, magnesium and calcium which are supposedly lost during a fast. (I'm skeptical of most supplementation...) Pretty much just sea salt, creme de tartar, and lime juice. Seems to help a little with the weirder effects of a long fast. (Cramping, weakness, lightheadedness) In water they taste a little like gatorade without the sugar.

The electrolytes I use are some kind of salt combined with the elements you mentioned; without proper electrolytes you might die during longer fasts. I avoid any kind of juice to make sure that part of my digestive tract can rest and do some internal cleanup. Autophagy should start at around day 5 and immunity renewal at around day 3.

If I do sauna (many hot/cold cycles), I feel great for a day, if I do a 7-day fasting, I feel like that for a week. Sauna probably forces some mild cleanup through sweating, fasting through autophagy and burning off fat that stores toxins body didn't want to deal with earlier.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by pajaroide »

dghughes wrote: post #30
foxyv wrote: post #10

Lately I've been doing 7 day fasts two times a year mostly to reduce visceral fat and reduce my chance of type 2 diabetes. However a lot of science is pointing to it being a good way to reduce cancer risk. Nothing definitive, but it's nice to think I may be helping my body fight possible cancer too. Maybe I will catch some of these things early during these phases where the genes are present but the cancer hasn't beg…

That reminds me of people who follow the Calorie Restriction Optimal Nutrition (CRON) diet. Only they practically starve themselves everyday. I know it's not the goal they do try to consume on the absolute necessary nutrients. My theory is someday CRON will surpass veganism merely for one-up-manship.

Veganism is mostly about reducing animal suffering. It also has a health angle but it's mostly about the ethics of killing animals when we can have a complete and healthy diet eating plant-based (plus fungi).

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#34

Post by bitL »

kyuudou wrote: post #31
bitL wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

7 days fasting (electrolytes-only) gives me a week-long euphoria afterwards, but days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases, so persevering those is a bit tricky. It also leads to 10-12lb weight loss.

A lot of that loss is water weight, though.

Yes, but that stops at around day 5 and you can always drink a lot to compensate for it.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

kaitai wrote: post #17
skwb wrote: post #12

While it is certainly interesting to hear of new developments for cancer screening, it must be taken in with the proper context. I see a lot of people without medical or public health training fall into the trap of thinking that any sort of screening mechanism is a net positive, without taking into consideration the "costs". For example, a lot of breast cancer screening has been highly controversial, because of eithe…

This is a hugely important comment and given the demographics of HN, I'll bring up prostate cancer as an example. It is important to catch prostate cancer in younger men, as in younger men it tends to be an aggressive cancer and lead to mortality. Paradoxically, in older men, aggressive screening for prostate cancer is bad if you want men to live longer and healthier lives. To oversimplify a bit, old guys with prosta…

It's interesting that one argument against early detection (in certain situations) is that patients + medical community can't be trusted to act rationally with the information.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by Gibbon1 »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #35
kaitai wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a hugely important comment and given the demographics of HN, I'll bring up prostate cancer as an example. It is important to catch prostate cancer in younger men, as in younger men it tends to be an aggressive cancer and lead to mortality. Paradoxically, in older men, aggressive screening for prostate cancer is bad if you want men to live longer and healthier lives. To oversimplify a bit, old guys with prosta…

It's interesting that one argument against early detection (in certain situations) is that patients + medical community can't be trusted to act rationally with the information.

What no one talks about is when you get an indeterminate result. For thyroid tumors that might be as high as 25-30%.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by bulldog13 »

foxyv wrote: post #29
bitL wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

7 days fasting (electrolytes-only) gives me a week-long euphoria afterwards, but days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases, so persevering those is a bit tricky. It also leads to 10-12lb weight loss.

Lately I've been trying supplementation of potassium, magnesium and calcium which are supposedly lost during a fast. (I'm skeptical of most supplementation...) Pretty much just sea salt, creme de tartar, and lime juice. Seems to help a little with the weirder effects of a long fast. (Cramping, weakness, lightheadedness) In water they taste a little like gatorade without the sugar.

Google snake diet - he has a mix.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by jobseeker990 »

bitL wrote: post #15
foxyv wrote: post #10

Lately I've been doing 7 day fasts two times a year mostly to reduce visceral fat and reduce my chance of type 2 diabetes. However a lot of science is pointing to it being a good way to reduce cancer risk. Nothing definitive, but it's nice to think I may be helping my body fight possible cancer too. Maybe I will catch some of these things early during these phases where the genes are present but the cancer hasn't beg…

7 days fasting (electrolytes-only) gives me a week-long euphoria afterwards, but days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases, so persevering those is a bit tricky. It also leads to 10-12lb weight loss.

> show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases

This could be your body breaking apart old injuries to start repairing them better.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#39

Post by jobseeker990 »

foxyv wrote: post #29
bitL wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

7 days fasting (electrolytes-only) gives me a week-long euphoria afterwards, but days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases, so persevering those is a bit tricky. It also leads to 10-12lb weight loss.

Lately I've been trying supplementation of potassium, magnesium and calcium which are supposedly lost during a fast. (I'm skeptical of most supplementation...) Pretty much just sea salt, creme de tartar, and lime juice. Seems to help a little with the weirder effects of a long fast. (Cramping, weakness, lightheadedness) In water they taste a little like gatorade without the sugar.

Can you share your exact recipe? I'd be curious what you're doing for magnesium and calcium. How about zinc?

Problem is a lot of those electrolyes can cause dihreah especially on an empty stomach.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

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Post by OrangeMango »

kaitai wrote: post #17
skwb wrote: post #12

While it is certainly interesting to hear of new developments for cancer screening, it must be taken in with the proper context. I see a lot of people without medical or public health training fall into the trap of thinking that any sort of screening mechanism is a net positive, without taking into consideration the "costs". For example, a lot of breast cancer screening has been highly controversial, because of eithe…

This is a hugely important comment and given the demographics of HN, I'll bring up prostate cancer as an example. It is important to catch prostate cancer in younger men, as in younger men it tends to be an aggressive cancer and lead to mortality. Paradoxically, in older men, aggressive screening for prostate cancer is bad if you want men to live longer and healthier lives. To oversimplify a bit, old guys with prosta…

In this context, which age groups are generally considered to be younger men and which are older men?
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