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IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#31
What's the deal with all of this high school bitchfesting going on lately between Google, Microsoft and Mozilla? My opinion of each of them drops every time they involve themselves in this crap.

How about you all stfu, work on your respective software and let your products do the talking?

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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> What's missing in IE9? ... text-shadow ... CSS3 Gradients ... border-image ... really? MS wont even support frikken text shadows? ffs ms. don't ship the fucking thing then, just take your time and get it right, please don't break everything again, my life is to short. what did i do to you to make you hate me so :(

> don't ship the fucking thing then I thought IE9 was still a work in progress?

The IE9 Release Candidate has shipped. They are done adding features.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why their marketing affects the actual merits of Firefox or Chrome, but. I agree that Firefox is trying a bit too hard (though this appears to simply be one user). Additionally, Chrome is still faster and has less ui-chrome that gets in my way. I also find the extensions to be more cleanly implemented still than Firefox 4's.

The one thing I dislike about Chrome is that I still find it buggy at times on my mac. Buggy in strange ways and especially with the inspector/debugger. That being said, I still use it as my main browser. Going back to FF annoys me when there are two input boxes (address bar and search) and that the tabs don't close under each other (for really convenient tab closing). Other than that I'm sort of indifferent.

I'd love to hear more about those bugs you're getting. Feel free to bug (hah!) me on twitter @paul_irish or report straight to http://new.crbug.com

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#35
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I'm still not sure what the point of all this is. Any developer worth their salt already knows that IE9 is more or less a small step forward but still far short of what it needs to be and of what FF/Chrome have accomplished ages ago. Any non-technical user won't be reading this article and won't give a damn about IE vs. FF vs. Chrome, as long as their internets work. Why keep up the pissing match? Who are they talkin…

The point is that Microsoft has been terrible at this since 1999.

They consistently do their own thing instead of going with standards, and they are always behind the curve. They seem to be trying to catch up with standards but have been unable to make any sort of impressive progress. To be honest, if they've put five years into it and are still so far behind, they need to fire some people.

Does anyone actually consider IE to be a valid contender for browsers? Personally, I gave up years ago.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#36
post #11

> What's missing in IE9? ... text-shadow ... CSS3 Gradients ... border-image ... really? MS wont even support frikken text shadows? ffs ms. don't ship the fucking thing then, just take your time and get it right, please don't break everything again, my life is to short. what did i do to you to make you hate me so :(

I feel 10 years younger reading this.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#37
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The horrible flash-of-unstyled-content suggests that this is not a good use of canvas. :P

The flash is because the styles are defined at the bottom of the document (not really sure why...) Canvas is only used for the charts.

I placed far too much trust in the title of the story, alas.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why their marketing affects the actual merits of Firefox or Chrome, but. I agree that Firefox is trying a bit too hard (though this appears to simply be one user). Additionally, Chrome is still faster and has less ui-chrome that gets in my way. I also find the extensions to be more cleanly implemented still than Firefox 4's.

The one thing I dislike about Chrome is that I still find it buggy at times on my mac. Buggy in strange ways and especially with the inspector/debugger. That being said, I still use it as my main browser. Going back to FF annoys me when there are two input boxes (address bar and search) and that the tabs don't close under each other (for really convenient tab closing). Other than that I'm sort of indifferent.

I get a heck of a lot more bugs (almost 2x) with Firebug on FF4 than with Chrome's inspector, though that still means I have to restart both almost a dozen times (no, really, that many) per day while building a web page.

A recent one: an input field would be spontaneously filled with a "1" if (and only if) Firebug was active. Persisted across application re-starts, but not through a reboot.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#39
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I'm still not sure what the point of all this is. Any developer worth their salt already knows that IE9 is more or less a small step forward but still far short of what it needs to be and of what FF/Chrome have accomplished ages ago. Any non-technical user won't be reading this article and won't give a damn about IE vs. FF vs. Chrome, as long as their internets work. Why keep up the pissing match? Who are they talkin…

The point is that Microsoft has been terrible at this since 1999. They consistently do their own thing instead of going with standards, and they are always behind the curve. They seem to be trying to catch up with standards but have been unable to make any sort of impressive progress. To be honest, if they've put five years into it and are still so far behind, they need to fire some people. Does anyone actually consi…

Exactly... you, and every other serious developer. That IE is garbage is obvious to anybody who's done web development for more than a month. So why is Mozilla even bothering with these technical articles? IE lost to developers years ago, and IE9 won't change that.

I guess I'm just confused as to why this article, and the other similar ones from this past week, are even news.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#40
I really don't get why Mozilla posted this, other then to say to the 'tech' crowd "we're better then IE" but they already know that.

If, Mozilla really want to impress the 'tech' crowd they should show how they compare to Chrome because, mainstream users ONLY care about being able to view the websites they want to visit which is why most of them stick to Internet Explorer which came installed on their PC's (despite new legislation saying Microsoft had to suggest other browsers too) as they 'trust' that it will display the websites they want to see.

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