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Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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But will they force Dads to take it? As a Dad who had two kids, I would much rather pay for childcare than take paternity leave. Would someone like me be held back artificially to promote equality? EDIT: Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Happy to dote when they start to turn into people.

Would you prefer paying because they would do a better job? Or because your kids would prefer it? Or because you would make more money?

It's up to you of course, I'm just curious.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#32

But will they force Dads to take it? As a Dad who had two kids, I would much rather pay for childcare than take paternity leave. Would someone like me be held back artificially to promote equality? EDIT: Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Happy to dote when they start to turn into people.

> Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage.

Oh that's much better. As we all know, infants don't need their parents for adequate cognitive development. /s

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Seems a bit bizarre seeing that mothers in most cases will need to spend more time with their babies. After all, there are certain things like breastfeeding that only a mother can do.

But both genders can feed the baby. It is not a rare situation where a mother doesn't have enough milk to feed a baby without additional food. What other things are mother-only things in your opinion?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2939272/

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Spain is progressively doing this. Starting 2021, men and women will have the paid same parental leave of 16 + 2 weeks (non-transferable). The main reason is fight against the discrimination from employers who think hiring women is inconvenient because they can go on parental leave for very long.

I believe men have 4 months of parental leave in Spain already, starting 2020.

It was 8 weeks on 2019, 12 on 2020 and 16 on 2021. Plus now men can also request "Lactancia" which adds an extra couple weeks.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#35

But will they force Dads to take it? As a Dad who had two kids, I would much rather pay for childcare than take paternity leave. Would someone like me be held back artificially to promote equality? EDIT: Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Happy to dote when they start to turn into people.

Would you prefer paying because they would do a better job? Or because your kids would prefer it? Or because you would make more money? It's up to you of course, I'm just curious.

All of the above.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#37

But will they force Dads to take it? As a Dad who had two kids, I would much rather pay for childcare than take paternity leave. Would someone like me be held back artificially to promote equality? EDIT: Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Happy to dote when they start to turn into people.

I don't think they'd ever force anyone to take time off if they don't want to. They'd give you the right to take time off to be with your kids, but if you don't want to take them up on that offer, then that will always be your prerogative.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#38
That’s really cool. It sets strong incentives for men to spend those 6 months with their children, but still leaves the the freedom to not take the leave (and basically forfeit 6 months of free “vacation”).

I’m incredibly grateful for the combined 4 months I got to spend full time with my two children and can only recommend taking the time if you can.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you prefer paying because they would do a better job? Or because your kids would prefer it? Or because you would make more money? It's up to you of course, I'm just curious.

All of the above.

Did you know this before you got them? I would rather be with my kids than working.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Germany has this and is awesome. 14 months paid leave to distribute among the two parents.

I’m curious what what happen if someone wanted to have ten kids and abused this system, and the mother didn’t work.

At a gut I feel like I’d be less likely to have kids, not more, if I felt like I was burdening other people by accepting benefits like this. I have no worries as an American having as many kids as I want because I make a good salary, can afford them, and won’t take more than a weeks, maybe two weeks time off, as my wife, despite being just as qualified for software engineering as me, wants to stay at home and raise children. Heck, I won’t even be “overburdening” the school system as my wife is home schooling them, despite living in a “good” school district.

Being charitable I’d hazard the point of this is to encourage population growth, but I suspect it’s playing out more like “have two kids and that’s as many as you should have”, and any more would introduce strong social pressure to stop.

Maybe it’ll work out that lots more Finns will be born, I’m curious to see how it goes in twenty years.

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