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Apple’s Next Greedy Move: Exclusivity

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Re: Apple’s Next Greedy Move: Exclusivity

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Post by NyxWulf »

dageshi wrote: post #26
NyxWulf wrote: post #14

Apple doesn't need to do this to keep competitors at bay. I don't think they will do it, but that's a different story. Right now Apple's biggest strength is their ecosystem. Developers creating high quality applications and users willing to put up actual cash to get them in large enough numbers to create a vibrant platform. The systems map with reinforcing and dampening actions is much larger than this, but those are…

Microsoft didn't change the rules every 3 months, sure they drive netscape out of the market but they never said that netscape couldn't run on windows. If you develop for windows you could be absolutely sure your app would install and work on it in 12 months time, can anyone say that about iPhone? But developers make money you say? Well there are people out there tonight who were making money with subscription based…

Your argument is based on tangential statements relating to your mores. I made no moral or value judgements, just a simple analysis of the situation. None of what you said even addresses my central premise, that the ecosystem is the issue now. One killer app on the android will do absolutely nothing to the IOS ecosystem.

If history is any guide, the only way to kill a functioning ecosystem is through some type of fundamental shift in technology, paradigm shattering change, or through long attrition with a competing ecosystem.

Sure I know numerous people that have gone to Android based phones. I also know that the app ecosystem on android is not vibrant right now. There are a lot of factors involved, but before android can build a sustainable competitive advantage, they have to build a functional ecosystem. I have questions about how android can do that with the fractured market places. Android came out in 2007, four years is a long time to not have any killer apps. Given their wide distribution, I am frankly surprised that android is not much more prevalent. The reality though is that ecosystems are incredibly hard to build. Phones are one thing, I have yet to see a single android based music player or iPad competitor. How do you attack a fortified, focused competitor with more cash, better design aesthetic, and an innovation pipeline that is the envy of the world? I honestly have no idea, but I'm fascinated watching it all unfold.

Re: Apple’s Next Greedy Move: Exclusivity

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Post by wtracy »

NyxWulf wrote: post #31
dageshi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft didn't change the rules every 3 months, sure they drive netscape out of the market but they never said that netscape couldn't run on windows. If you develop for windows you could be absolutely sure your app would install and work on it in 12 months time, can anyone say that about iPhone? But developers make money you say? Well there are people out there tonight who were making money with subscription based…

Your argument is based on tangential statements relating to your mores. I made no moral or value judgements, just a simple analysis of the situation. None of what you said even addresses my central premise, that the ecosystem is the issue now. One killer app on the android will do absolutely nothing to the IOS ecosystem. If history is any guide, the only way to kill a functioning ecosystem is through some type of fun…

"I have yet to see a single android based music player or iPad competitor."

http://www.google.com/search?q=android+tablets http://www.google.com/search?q=galaxy+player+50 http://www.google.com/search?q=archos+32

Re: Apple’s Next Greedy Move: Exclusivity

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Post by Stormbringer »

I had a comment I was prepared to make, a complaint if you will about the tactics of Apple bashing. However, upon reading the article, I see that this fits into an entirely different category: just making up lies out of nothing.

Does this guy work for Fox news? EXACTLY what you should have been doing the previous 8 years. And here's a heads up: if you're not on their 'team', you are supposed to oppose them. But no, you went along with what the other team was doing, because you didn't want the dreaded label "not a team player". If the other team is raping the dead and rotting corpse of your beloved constitution, you're not supposed to help them!!! Pussies.

Re: Apple’s Next Greedy Move: Exclusivity

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Post by Dn_Ab »

kylec wrote: post #29
Dn_Ab wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if that is necessarily ideal for Apple or any of the other platforms for that matter. What is to stop the next platform from offering 19%, 20% or even 25% non exclusive cut and 15% Exclusive? Competing over the percent of profits taken per app could start a chain reaction race to the bottom that ultimately reduces profits for all platform makers and moves it into the hands of the developers. Which is a g…

I don't think it's as simple as comparing the percentages - the App Store generates much more revenue than the Android market and other, similar stores on other platforms. As it stands now, the decision of whether or not to port a successful iOS app to other platforms is based on whether or not the revenue generated is worth the time and money to do the port. However, if there's an exclusivity deal in place, you also…

You're right and make an excellent point. But the other platforms are also going to have to work on increasing the revenue per app for the developer or obsolete themselves. So the current state of affairs might only hold for a few years or so.

As well, there are a whole host of factors considered when a developer chooses platforms and while I don't know about how people weigh decisions, its possible that this number could come to irrationally? dominate considerations. So platforms competing over that number will have unpredictable, possibly undesirable effects to the outcome of the current equation for the leader at first and then everyone else.

Just considering the other side, but I do agree with your above point.

Re: Apple’s Next Greedy Move: Exclusivity

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Post by NyxWulf »

wtracy wrote: post #32
NyxWulf wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is based on tangential statements relating to your mores. I made no moral or value judgements, just a simple analysis of the situation. None of what you said even addresses my central premise, that the ecosystem is the issue now. One killer app on the android will do absolutely nothing to the IOS ecosystem. If history is any guide, the only way to kill a functioning ecosystem is through some type of fun…

"I have yet to see a single android based music player or iPad competitor." http://www.google.com/search?q=android+tablets http://www.google.com/search?q=galaxy+player+50 http://www.google.com/search?q=archos+32

I wasn't talking about seeing advertisements or pictures. I mean literally see one. I don't see them in the stores anywhere, and I certainly have never seen one in someone's hands out in the wild.
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