What companies are immediately going to be affected by this?
Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
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Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#32What companies are immediately going to be affected by this?
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/T
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/VZ
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TMUS
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/S
Looks like only Sprint and T-mobile are down, and only slightly (2%).
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am actually OK with that. I don’t believe the government is going to routinely misuse location data, confiscate my guns, ... etc. I don’t want corporations having my tracking data. The government, Democrats and Republicans, basically do whatever corporations want, so this action is surprising and welcome.
I see this all the time online, but rarely in the same breath. "I trust the government, which is corrupt and run by evil corporations."
There's a difference between "Corporations have too much power to influence government policy" and "The government will hand over its sensitive personal data records to corporations".
I would say the former is a much more widely held belief, although we have no way to know if the latter is actually happening.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
So this Supreme Court ruling has eliminated all use of Stingray-like equipment by all law enforcement agencies unless they have a warrant? Wow! Looks like Harris will be going of business soon, and no more DRT boxes flying over cities?
Why are you being downvoted for pointing out mass surveillance and extremely targeted surveillance are both still legal and frequently used.
Because it's hyperbolic, sarcastic, and unhelpful. Your question rephrased as a statement is completely fine: "Unfortunately, mass surveillance and extremely targeted surveillance are both still legal and frequently used."
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#35I'll celebrate when the money from the fines is actually sitting in the Treasury account, and not a moment before. Pai is outrageously corrupt, is best friends with telecom CEOs, and with near-certainty will cave to requests to have these punishments reduced to next-to-nothing.
Yes. Particularly given that Pai's FCC has developed a bit of a habit of levying fines and then not bothering to actually collect them.
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#36So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that obtaining phone location data requires a warrant. [1] So no, neither one is okay. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_v._United_States
They (NSA / govt) still warehouse it. They just don’t access it without a warrant. That is the current legal fiction they operate the surveillance state under.
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#37But Facebook, Google, Microsoft, et al are still free to sell phone location data acquired through apps (or Android itself in the case of Google), right? I wonder if there is any hope of laws to limit the ability of companies to sell this data...
IIRC, Google doesn't sell your personal location data: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ Disclaimer: I work at Google.
This is true, although it's engaging in a bit of hair-splitting.
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#38But Facebook, Google, Microsoft, et al are still free to sell phone location data acquired through apps (or Android itself in the case of Google), right? I wonder if there is any hope of laws to limit the ability of companies to sell this data...
These companies don't sell your data and it's not in their interest to do so.
Data is the cash cow that lets them sell ads. Why would they give away the cash cow and cut themselves, the middlemen, out of the picture?
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#39I'm sure the same precedent will apply for telecoms injecting ads, right?
Yes, because this FCC decision, in the original text, actually says "Everything bad must stop".
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#40But Facebook, Google, Microsoft, et al are still free to sell phone location data acquired through apps (or Android itself in the case of Google), right? I wonder if there is any hope of laws to limit the ability of companies to sell this data...
IIRC, Google doesn't sell your personal location data: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ Disclaimer: I work at Google.
Do they refuse warrantless requests?