Even after this "reversal", I'm not sure he understands why people were angry about his AfDs.
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Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
So? Isn't the most important thing that he's stopping?
The important thing would be restoring the articles. As far as I can see, that isn't happening (yet). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_(programming_language) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemerle I might just be seeing a cached version, though. edit: grr, I cannot reply to you, but yes, that was my point exactly: he could request a deletion review.
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#33Trying to delete stories? He nominated them for an open discussion to be decided by an admin. But that doesn't sound nearly as malicious. There are valid criticisms about the AfD process, but most people are blaming Chris as if he just walked by and deleted the articles on his own. I fear that this issue has become less about fixing broken Wikipedia policies that encourage people like Chris to delete articles, and mo…
This sort of behavior is not acceptable on Wikipedia (at least, according to everyone who comments on ridiculous AfD stories). As for teaching him a lesson: he was caught live. The harshness of the lesson was proportional to the amount of rage such behavior induce.
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#34Trying to delete stories? He nominated them for an open discussion to be decided by an admin. But that doesn't sound nearly as malicious. There are valid criticisms about the AfD process, but most people are blaming Chris as if he just walked by and deleted the articles on his own. I fear that this issue has become less about fixing broken Wikipedia policies that encourage people like Chris to delete articles, and mo…
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Power imbalances tend to produce that emotional response. Popular revolt follows, especial when food prices go up. Wait, scratch that last bit.
In this case I think it's more down to the fact that a "fan community" exists. The exact same response happens when a band gets proposed for deletion and someone posts about it on the band's mailing list. You get 100 posts about how this is in fact The Most Important Band In Genre In The Past Ten Years and Wikipedia's administrators must be knuckle-dragging cultureless slobs if they don't recognize that. Then semi-or…
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#36"Here's a challenge, then, for the internet: instead of spamming my Wikipedia talk page (which I don't really care about), why don't you work on fixing WP's notability guideline for programming languages?" Amen to that. Others have said it many times before and it is still true: Wikipedia's notability guidelines would benefit from being fixed. It's rather annoying to note that what this guy was doing was within the l…
The most important rule of all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules i.e., if something seems to fit in with the "letter of the law" but has no real benefit and lots of reasons not to do it, don't do it!
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're not interested in an apology... You don't care that he stopped. What exactly do you want from him then?
I am interested in an apology. He has not given one, despite this so called "reversal". A sincere apology would involve 1) apologizing/admitting wrong-doing and 2) undoing the damage. I could certainly settle for only the second.
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Power imbalances tend to produce that emotional response. Popular revolt follows, especial when food prices go up. Wait, scratch that last bit.
In this case I think it's more down to the fact that a "fan community" exists. The exact same response happens when a band gets proposed for deletion and someone posts about it on the band's mailing list. You get 100 posts about how this is in fact The Most Important Band In Genre In The Past Ten Years and Wikipedia's administrators must be knuckle-dragging cultureless slobs if they don't recognize that. Then semi-or…
Re: Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
In this case I think it's more down to the fact that a "fan community" exists. The exact same response happens when a band gets proposed for deletion and someone posts about it on the band's mailing list. You get 100 posts about how this is in fact The Most Important Band In Genre In The Past Ten Years and Wikipedia's administrators must be knuckle-dragging cultureless slobs if they don't recognize that. Then semi-or…
If there is a band out there with an active online community numbering in the hundreds (which means their offline following is a few orders of magnitude greater), I don't see why they shouldn't have a wikipedia page.