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Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by ronnie_fr3 »

azalemeth wrote: post #28

> "Suspected patients were isolated using airborne precautions in the designated hospital, Jin Yin-tan Hospital (Wuhan, China), and fit-tested N95 masks and airborne precautions for aerosol-generating procedures were taken. > This study was approved by the National Health Commission of China and Ethics Commission of Jin Yin-tan Hospital (KY-2020-01.01). > Written informed consent was waived by the Ethics Commission o…

and that's why the West is decaying. Who cares about your morals when there's an epidemic ?

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by MiroF »

tony101 wrote: post #23
rdtsc wrote: post #13

> 27 (66%) patients had direct exposure to Huanan seafood market (figure 1B https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... ). Market exposure was similar between the patients with ICU care (nine [69%]) and those with non-ICU care (18 [64%]). The symptom onset date of the first patient identified was Dec 1, 2019. None of his family members developed fever or any respiratory symptoms. No epidemiologica…

"Novel Coronavirus May Not Have Originated in Wuhan Seafood Market": https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22157067

What sciencemag quotes,

> It suggests they had a “most recent common ancestor”—meaning a common source—as early as 1 October.

what the quoted link says,

> The first case symptoms was recently reported to be December 1, 2019 5, although WHO has previously reported this as December 8, 2019 1. The estimate from BEAST is in agreement with these dates, giving a median date of December 2, 2019. This date is also consistent with prior phylogenetic analyses using fixed rates of the evolutionary rate of 2019-nCoV.

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by simongray »

ronnie_fr3 wrote: post #31
azalemeth wrote: post #28

> "Suspected patients were isolated using airborne precautions in the designated hospital, Jin Yin-tan Hospital (Wuhan, China), and fit-tested N95 masks and airborne precautions for aerosol-generating procedures were taken. > This study was approved by the National Health Commission of China and Ethics Commission of Jin Yin-tan Hospital (KY-2020-01.01). > Written informed consent was waived by the Ethics Commission o…

and that's why the West is decaying. Who cares about your morals when there's an epidemic ?

> and that's why the West is decaying. Who cares about your morals when there's an epidemic ?

This kind of bait is not needed on Hacker News. Keep that on reddit or facebook or whatever.

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by danieltillett »

azalemeth wrote: post #28

> "Suspected patients were isolated using airborne precautions in the designated hospital, Jin Yin-tan Hospital (Wuhan, China), and fit-tested N95 masks and airborne precautions for aerosol-generating procedures were taken. > This study was approved by the National Health Commission of China and Ethics Commission of Jin Yin-tan Hospital (KY-2020-01.01). > Written informed consent was waived by the Ethics Commission o…

Serious this sort of thinking is what will kill hundreds of millions of people. We are not dealing with a couple of stubbed toes or hurt feelings here, but a novel deadly virus that is out of control. This is a war situation.

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by culturestate »

ronnie_fr3 wrote: post #31
azalemeth wrote: post #28

> "Suspected patients were isolated using airborne precautions in the designated hospital, Jin Yin-tan Hospital (Wuhan, China), and fit-tested N95 masks and airborne precautions for aerosol-generating procedures were taken. > This study was approved by the National Health Commission of China and Ethics Commission of Jin Yin-tan Hospital (KY-2020-01.01). > Written informed consent was waived by the Ethics Commission o…

and that's why the West is decaying. Who cares about your morals when there's an epidemic ?

> Who cares about your morals when there's an epidemic ?

I actually find this to be an interesting ethical dilemma. On one hand, I would probably agree that this specific situation demands a degree of urgency and action such that the rights of an individual should be subjugated, to some extent, to the needs of society as a whole.

On the other hand, if we do accept that there are scenarios where this is a necessary trade-off, who gets to decide which outbreaks qualify? Could someone just invent one to circumvent medical ethics requirements whenever they prove inconvenient?

I guess it's not entirely dissimilar to arguments over limits on freedom of expression in cases where a person's speech can be deemed to cause harm to others (e.g. the canonical yelling fire in a crowded theatre). Where and how do you draw the line?

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by azalemeth »

danieltillett wrote: post #35
azalemeth wrote: post #28

> "Suspected patients were isolated using airborne precautions in the designated hospital, Jin Yin-tan Hospital (Wuhan, China), and fit-tested N95 masks and airborne precautions for aerosol-generating procedures were taken. > This study was approved by the National Health Commission of China and Ethics Commission of Jin Yin-tan Hospital (KY-2020-01.01). > Written informed consent was waived by the Ethics Commission o…

Serious this sort of thinking is what will kill hundreds of millions of people. We are not dealing with a couple of stubbed toes or hurt feelings here, but a novel deadly virus that is out of control. This is a war situation.

Isolation measures and obtaining information are clearly important; so too is acting ethically, and I would argue that it is _precisely_ these sort of circumstances that should prompt us to consider this. And, owing to selection bias in the cases presented, the death rate of this coronavirus is likely far lower than hyped.

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by tedk-42 »

azalemeth wrote: post #37
danieltillett wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious this sort of thinking is what will kill hundreds of millions of people. We are not dealing with a couple of stubbed toes or hurt feelings here, but a novel deadly virus that is out of control. This is a war situation.

Isolation measures and obtaining information are clearly important; so too is acting ethically, and I would argue that it is _precisely_ these sort of circumstances that should prompt us to consider this. And, owing to selection bias in the cases presented, the death rate of this coronavirus is likely far lower than hyped.

Wow this is the first I've heard of the infection and death rate being 'lower than hyped'.

I do believe it's troubling times for everyone near this virus and we need as much information of the virus as possible. This is going past a regular 'patient confidentiality' line and into a 'prevent a possible disaster from occurring by getting on top of it soon'.

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by netsharc »

nnq wrote: post #9

It would be interesting to see less accurate statistics on the total CURRENT number of cases rather than this OLD NEWS. Cool for whoever published that, but we need more focus on speed of information dissemination, even prioritising it over accurracy, we're moving at pre-Internet pace here or someone is actively hindering the flow of info...

> we need more focus on speed of information dissemination

I'm curious why you think so. This report is very detailed from a medical point of view, if you want current numbers there are other news sites for that. Besides, why do you need the current numbers, so you can panic faster?

Re: Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus

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Post by raxxorrax »

azalemeth wrote: post #28

> "Suspected patients were isolated using airborne precautions in the designated hospital, Jin Yin-tan Hospital (Wuhan, China), and fit-tested N95 masks and airborne precautions for aerosol-generating procedures were taken. > This study was approved by the National Health Commission of China and Ethics Commission of Jin Yin-tan Hospital (KY-2020-01.01). > Written informed consent was waived by the Ethics Commission o…

You can only do that in a solid dictatorship. That is also true for the wide reaching quarantines.

While some might be scared that much that they approve of these measures, I am just glad not to live in China.

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