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Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by nine_k »

pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

Egress traffic cost is massively higher on both AWS and GCP.

Instances of comparable power are somehow more expensive on both AWS and GCP.

Also, simplicity; AWS IAM is mightily complicated, things like Cloud Formation are totally non-trivial, etc. You can get going more easily with simple and moderately complex setups on Linode or DO.

Of course, AWS, GCP, and Azure have much bigger infrastructure, several availability zones, a lot of managed software (object storage, various databases, queues, email gateways, docker hubs, etc) which smaller players don't provide, or can't provide at the fault tolerance level which big players are able to offer. Something like AWS Aurora is hugely internally redundant to withstand link problems, node outages, etc transparently. If you want a thing like that, managing it yourself takes serious chops, and money.

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Post by sirn »

pansa2 wrote: post #19
papito wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to run demo software on a JVM, and the box beefy enough to do that is MUCH cheaper on Linode.

I can believe that Linode is cheaper than EC2, but isn’t Amazon’s LightSail a similar price?

Similar price, but LightSail severe throttling disk and network IO

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by cdnsteve »

pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

You cannot hard stop billing, at least that i have found. So keeping to a hard budget on AWS/GCP is not possible, be careful.

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Post by oefrha »

pansa2 wrote: post #26
oefrha wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost and ease of onboarding. For $5/mo you get 1 vCPU, 1GB RAM, 25GB SSD, 1TB egress quota. Try calculating the egress cost alone for GCP or AWS.

Amazon LightSail gives you 1 CPU, 1GB RAM, 40GB SSD and 2TB transfer for the same price.

Amazon Lightsail launched way after Linode and DO have been established in the low-cost segment, and it was slightly more expensive than Linode and DO when it launched. It appears they've lowered their prices again in order to capture the market but mind share is still low.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by austinheap »

djsumdog wrote: post #23
pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

You start using GCP/AWS/Azure, you're going to start using managed databases, security groups, etc. These are really nice. They can save you a lot of time as a startup. ... They are incredibly difficult to migrate. If you use terraform, it does support GCP/AWS/Azure/DO/Vultr, but you'll have to rewrite everything for each provider. For really simple providers (just a VM; in AWS, just EC2) you can still write all your…

After your seed round this simply doesn’t hold up. If you’re making money the upside of the modern cloud is absurd, and cloud-to-cloud portability is a design pattern choice. There is zero lock-in with appropriate architecture decisions.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by pansa2 »

oefrha wrote: post #34
pansa2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon LightSail gives you 1 CPU, 1GB RAM, 40GB SSD and 2TB transfer for the same price.

Amazon Lightsail launched way after Linode and DO have been established in the low-cost segment, and it was slightly more expensive than Linode and DO when it launched. It appears they've lowered their prices again in order to capture the market but mind share is still low.

> mind share is still low.

I can tell that - many people in this thread are using “AWS” as though it’s synonymous with “EC2”.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by toast0 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #29
toast0 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS charges an arm and a leg for outbound traffic, inbound traffic is free. Volumetric attacks are all about overwhelming your inbound; if AWS will swallow that at their ACL layer for you, that's seems pretty useful, and shouldn't generate billing.

OTOH, it's tricky to direct your inbound to AWS without involving them in your outbound...

Certainly... It was more of a if you're on AWS and you attract a volumetric attack, it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg.

Maybe you could run www on AWS and your real service somewhere with reasonable prices for traffic. In my experience, people who randomly DDoS tend to hit www rather than useful parts of a service.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by codexon »

regecks wrote: post #2

I guess this is basically the same as OVH's "VAC" system? I sometimes get these emails: >We have just detected an attack on IP address x.x.x.x. In order to protect your infrastructure, we vacuumed up your traffic onto our mitigation infrastructure. The entire attack will thus be filtered by our infrastructure, and only legitimate traffic will reach your servers. and then: >We are no longer able to detect any attack o…

They are very likely real and OVH has a very good system. You can thank them for making free DDoS protection mainstream, dragging all other hosts kicking and screaming into providing DDoS protection.

In the past providers like Linode were happy to just null route your IP for several hours/days or charge you thousands to block a small flood.

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