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A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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This has got to be a fake. The only way AI would be able to make any sort of correct judgment about someone's probable future performance is if it had some training set of data of employees who had their interviews recorded and who were known to be bad in some way. However, it's still a massive leap in logic to be able to correlate anything an AI could observe to some tangibly bad behavior later on. I'm thinking the…

You're right in that there's no reason to believe AI can do this effectively.

However, in my experience, HR departments and hiring processes are anything but rational. HRs buy any kind of snake oil by the barrel, and hiring managers generally reach their position for reasons entirely unrelated to the ability to identify and hire above average employees.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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> Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. > I'm honestly curious how both can be true. There's an overwhelming number of applicants. That says nothing about their qualifications. I don't know what Big Tech's numbers look like, but when I did hiring, the percentage of applicants that were even remotely qualified was usually i…

Sounds like an education/ training problem then?

There's a certain amount of innate talent involved in any profession, so additional training and education is unlikely to help. No amount of education or training would ever turn me into a professionally successful artist, for example.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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I consult. When its remote, I sometimes recommend we have a person on the ground (at the customer plant) to coordinate and manage data. If they don't agree, I hire a graduate anyway and ask that a place be made in their office for them. Ultimately the client find them useful and they get hired on, because the client actually did need somebody to be expert in the new software. It's a responsibility to help young gradu…

How much of the training people is going to become underutilized because of hidden and poor optimization metrics? Thank you so much.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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The vast oversupply of talent has gotten so large employers can’t even be bothered to read resumes anymore: Ai will. This is what happens when ever larger percentage of society gets more and more degrees

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded? Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

> "Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent."

There is an overwhelming supply of people who claim to be talented but there is a dreadful shortage of those who actually possess it.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #4

This has got to be a fake. The only way AI would be able to make any sort of correct judgment about someone's probable future performance is if it had some training set of data of employees who had their interviews recorded and who were known to be bad in some way. However, it's still a massive leap in logic to be able to correlate anything an AI could observe to some tangibly bad behavior later on. I'm thinking the…

Absolutely, without this it is just snapshotting and compressing the particular biases of the interviewers in the training set, in a lossy way, not training against ground truth (good hire // bad hire)

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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At Google machine learning was was always used for vetting the 100k+ applications per year that the HR team just doesn't have time to go through. The main goal was to filter people who have the biggest chance to go through the human interviews later in the process. The only reason why it's called ,,AI'' now is because it's trendy. It can be just a simple linear model that takes education (University) and GPA score in…

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

People who reach out to them are probably cheaper than people that Google has to reach out to.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

That’s just awful. So much for cognitive diversity, eh? I wish your brother best of luck.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Been going on about giving our neighbors too much political power by allowing things like HR to filter for the sort who will shut their head off and follow orders.

Get downvoted every time.

A desire for top down control of life at scale hasn’t gone away with the fading of church life. That’s emotional memory living in the limbic system still. Perfectly reasonable to use a control technique on the masses.

The math of economics is right, in the proper combining and separating of numbers is present, they don’t make 2+2 = 4.

It’s what the quantities represent (us), and who controls the weights (not us) that matter.

It’s politically indefensible to enable extreme ownership over property. They believe it gives them control over agency since only they own the useful machines.

On the upside private army ownership is at an all time low and they need us to manage these machines at scale

One day of peacefully staying home or even just a serious enough push to make it look like that is happening (remember SOPA blackout and teacher strikes), this goes away and we can work on our own ideas.

Probably just get downvoted again for suggesting no way all these people are confused like I think. But sitting on their hands going along erodes their political capital and empowers threats to our own agency at scale.

The government should guarantee healthcare and military security to short circuit gamesmanship of private power. We ditched the idea of a king in political contexts, but kept it alive in daily life contexts. Serve your CEO

A minority of rich elites are not important enough literally to give them broad ownership of ideas we individually literally imagine up and build.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded? Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

> " Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. " There is an overwhelming supply of people who claim to be talented but there is a dreadful shortage of those who actually possess it.

And the first group is applying for every job out there whilst the second is too discerning.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Google employees a team of recruiters to do exactly this.

I know - I meant why do they also have an open mailbox for millions of people not remotely qualified (I presume) to spam into, creating this problem for themselves. If you’re at the level of working for Google you’re presumably already at the absolute top of your field internationally and will know people at Google you can reach out to personally.

Google hires tons of people fresh out of university, they're not going to be "at the absolute top of their field" or well-connected. (they do seem to hire previous interns a lot, but that moves the filter having to handle the flood to people applying for internships instead)
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