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Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#31

Contrary to everyone else I actually think this is a smart move. Personally, I didn't find Windows Phone 7 too bad compared to an iPhone. The only thing that Apple has in its favour is the RDF. Nokia needs a differentiating OS, Android is not that OS. I don't think Nokia wants to become a bit part commodity hardware manufacturer. So Windows Phone 7 might turn out to be a smart move. Nokia is in a position to capture…

but other companies like htc, motorola etc. can also manufacture WP7 phones.

and nokia cannot make too many changes to functionality even if allowed as it would fragment the WP7 app-market. even gui based changes would kill the ui-consistency that MS is touting..

so i do not understand how nokia is differentiating itself by becoming a WP7 phone manufacturer...

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#32
Nokia were clearly the leader 10 years ago.

Whilst at the front of the race they took their eye off for a little distraction called Symbian. The problem there was the complete lack of control over the UI. Symbian forked their UI for phone and tablet, and phone producers forked their own UIs again (UIQ, Series 60,80,90), making upgrading the existing UI centrally practically impossible. The only option was to start from scratch... oops. The committee appears to have made a big deal out of binary compatibility. Yet with today's consumer, that is not important on a smart phone, when we want to get apps from a store.

Nokia looked up and has realised it's now running on a different track to everyone else - the finish line moved and they can't catch up (3 years to get from the old UI's, and we've still not got shiny new Symbian in mass market products). Time to get into the current race.

The problem with branching Android, is that it puts them back in exactly the same sort of situation they were in when they backed Symbian. By going with Microsoft they have moved to a much more controlled system. Microsoft have buckets of experience with smart phones, and I believe that WM7 will be the XP of mobile. Let's just hope they don't Vista it.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like jumping from a burning platform to shark-infested waters?

He specified a North Sea rig in his memo. I don't know if he's aware (he is Canadian) but it's relatively common knowledge in this area that due to the low temperatures your life expectancy even if you make it into the water conscious and in one piece is under 15 minutes, less the further north you go. Sharks are the least of your worries.

In the worst North Sea rig disaster, Piper Alpha, there were six unlucky men who did jump from the rig, were rescued and were killed when the rescue boat got caught in a huge explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Alpha

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#34
When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser.

That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the changing landscape of tech.

Mobile is greater than what it seemed to be at the start. Mobile operating systems are no longer button phones, they are computers, and they are going to integrate with the desktop tightly. That's the new world, and in such a world, there are only going to be just a few platforms.

Nokia had almost zero chance of being the new platform. Microsoft continues to maintain strong platform presence on the desktop, browser, gaming console/set-top, and they have brought in a strong mobile platform, even if sales are lack-luster now.

Android provides a free, single platform for everybody else.

Apple has their iPhone eco-system, which is not open to others to use.

If Nokia stays on their platform, they will surely fade into irrelevance, and at some point they will need to switch to Android, and be years behind all the other Android clones. That would be the end of Nokia.

The Microsoft-Nokia deal basically has given the Microsoft mobile platform relevance, and it means that a big chunk of the mobile market will be MS/Nokia, and that will ensure that Nokia remains relevant.

With this move, the integrated platform market has basically been divided into three equal chunks (Android, iOS, MS) and for the new few year people are going to have to choose between those. Nokia as a hardware manufacturer - if it does good deals with MS, will basically form one-half of the third major platform. That's how it will stay relevant.

After this deal, Android is likely going to become more popular, because most other hardware manufacturers will bet full-scale on android. However, the problem is that Android lacks a desktop environment, so canot be as tightly integrated as the other two platforms could.

So I expect Android to take the role of feature-phones now, while MS and Apple control and split the high-end market.

I'm not sure what role blackberry will play in all this.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like jumping from a burning platform to shark-infested waters?

He specified a North Sea rig in his memo. I don't know if he's aware (he is Canadian) but it's relatively common knowledge in this area that due to the low temperatures your life expectancy even if you make it into the water conscious and in one piece is under 15 minutes, less the further north you go. Sharks are the least of your worries.

Interestingly, that's not because you'll get a thermal shock that will kill you. The body is surprisingly good at maintaining temperature for a while after being plunged in icy cold stuff. The problem is, it's so good at it, that it will block off the arteries to your legs and arms to stop them from leaking so much heat (better survive without limbs than die with them), and you'll drown because you can't swim. As far as hypothermia is concerned, you have about an hour before passing out due to hypothermia. But you have about 10 minutes if you're not wearing a life jacket.

http://mariovittone.com/2010/10/1-10-1/

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#37

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

> and that will ensure that Nokia remains relevant.

Nokia becoming a WP7 OEM does not make them relevant. They're going to go the same path as they would have had they gone with Android instead: just another phone OEM.

Though between WP7 and Android, WP7 is probably a much better choice for them.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#38

The whole thing feels like shark-jumping if you ask me. I'd watch Nokia stock today and see if investors don't agree. I'm betting they do. I wish I knew a damn thing about investing, I'd short this one for sure.

Investing: Great if you can get a position in a market that is open when the news is announced and thus be there for the fall....but it sucks if you have to get in after the stock has declined and then you're hoping that the impact will take a couple days.

I wouldn't try to play something like this. I've done highly leveraged, highly speculative investing successfully in the past. But even then, I was making bets on the order of weeks and months, not minutes.

Do you think it is a sure thing that nokia will be down by %20 beyond the current price over the next year? IF you can make that argument mathematically, then it is soemthing worth investing in. (at least, this is the method I used. I can't say anything about nokia's valuation as I have never analyzed it. But I only invested in mathematically sure things that were consistent with the overall trend.)

PS- When I say "sure thing" I mean "presuming no black swan events". I know there is no really sure thing. I also used leverage and hedged to limit my downside.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#39
Nokia wants to be Apple but acts like Dell, this does not make any sense.

Disclaimer: Being Dell is nice, but you need to think like Dell concerning their, much lower, margins. And whatever Microsoft tells you, you're just one of many and compete with HTC, not Apple.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

#40
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like jumping from a burning platform to shark-infested waters?

... as Google hovered with their Android rescue helicopters?

Android and WP7 make no difference for Nokia. In fact WP7 is clearly a better deal as they can talk and negotiate with Microsoft's moneyhat and they become by far the foremost WP7 phone maker. They bring a lot of hardware expertise and knowledge to Microsoft's camp. Going with Android, they'd just get to get bent.

If their choice was to get out of software and choose between WP7 and Android, WP7 is a much better idea.

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