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Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by lalos »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #25
harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

A third party can blackmail a politician if they are hiding whatever they think is hurtful for their career. Not that I care about what they do on their personal time but transparency has its benefits.

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by turk73 »

gilrain wrote: post #23
turkthrower123 wrote: post #10

Ted Kaczynski and Clifford Stoll were spot-on about the detrimental effects of technology on freedom and happiness.

Wow. Let's try to criticize the system without glorifying murderers!

Cliff Stoll didn't murder anyone.

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by joncrane »

Nasrudith wrote: post #22
turkthrower123 wrote: post #10

Ted Kaczynski and Clifford Stoll were spot-on about the detrimental effects of technology on freedom and happiness.

Clifford Stoll himself admitted that he was hillariously wrong. As for Ted Kaczynski - he was a goddamned moron was no sense of history or prehistory and absolutely no coherent plan. 1. Send mail bombs to iniversities and airports 2. ??? 3. Downfall of industrial society 4. Industrial society somehow won't establish itself again as technology grants advantages desperately needed to survive making the whole plan cruel…

"Absolute moron" is a bit unkind when he was an unsuspecting subject of CIA research into the effects of LSD, isn't it?

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by mschuster91 »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #25
harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

> Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club?

Two reasons:

1) People in the spotlight (like politicians) are expected to behave as role models. Especially where moral values are concerned, one can reasonably demand that politicians live according to the same standard as they demand from the citizens. Otherwise, it rapidly devolves into "rules for thee but not for me", destroying trust in the fairness of democratic institutions.

2) In close conjunction with #1, behavior like cheating on one's wife or other (mostly sexual) deviance is either considered socially inacceptable or at least to be damaging to relationships. This creates leverage for bad actors, known as "Sexpionage" - the "kings" here of course are the Russian KGB/FSB who are at least rumored to have actual material of the current US president.

Basically, the public should demand transparency and decent behavior from politicians and other state officials to make sure they are not subject to extortion attempts no matter by foreign states, criminal organizations or by legitimate mega-corporations.

> Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

The more radical you appear, the more scrutinized your behavior will be. No one's gonna bat an eye about the contents of your trashcan if you're just supporting a law mandating recycling... but if you are the major initiator of a law or lead public campaigns for recycling, prepare for being in the spotlight.

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by jermaustin1 »

lalos wrote: post #31
jermaustin1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

A third party can blackmail a politician if they are hiding whatever they think is hurtful for their career. Not that I care about what they do on their personal time but transparency has its benefits.

This is only because politicians think people care about their personal lives instead of furthering the agenda they were elected for.

Trump is a perfect example of this:

Many evangelicals will look the other way when confronted with his personal life, because he is putting structures in place to further their agenda.

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by vezycash »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #29
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For politicians, authenticity of belief is a big concern. If you are someone who geniuenly believes strip clubs are a moral evil, why do you deserve to be manipulated by a politician who doesn't actually care about the issue and is only trying to steal your vote

Why is it manipulation, if they say they are going to shut down strip clubs, and actively work towards it, why should I care if they WANT to shut them down, vs doing it because it is a campaign promise. Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. You may agree with their policies or not, but you can't fault a person for enjoy…

>Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard.

Please mention one politician who works against their own interest. Cos I don't know any.

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by toss1 »

>The Tombstone Cam ...all inclusive system can be deployed for approximately two days with the include PB-180LiFePO4 battery."

Considering that the structure they have to work with has at least the appearance of hundreds of kilos of granite, so there's not a very tight constraint on weight or volume, I'd think they could at least provide for, even as an option, a battery that would last for a week or a month.

That, plus some of the prices quoted give me the impression that this company is one of those that charges silly money for mediocre engineering.

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Post by [deleted] »

bitL wrote: post #28
nyolfen wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry, does 5g magically give other people access to all the phone audio in an area?

Nope, but it could be used to R&D a new tech that would make mandatory connections to nearby 5G to some "telemetry" band where all sensory information would go, regardless of whether you like it or not. Similarly to how SMS type 0 is handled by baseband processor in every single cell phone already - you don't even know you received/sent hundreds of those. It's not like there isn't some precedent already most people d…

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Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by nyolfen »

bitL wrote: post #28
nyolfen wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry, does 5g magically give other people access to all the phone audio in an area?

Nope, but it could be used to R&D a new tech that would make mandatory connections to nearby 5G to some "telemetry" band where all sensory information would go, regardless of whether you like it or not. Similarly to how SMS type 0 is handled by baseband processor in every single cell phone already - you don't even know you received/sent hundreds of those. It's not like there isn't some precedent already most people d…

yes, and i guess they could r&d a 5g standard that streams 4k video from your phone to the nsa at all times on a particular band. the standards bodies would still have to agree to it and consumers would have to want to buy it. i will reserve my concerns for things that actually happen.

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by WBrad »

vezycash wrote: post #36
jermaustin1 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it manipulation, if they say they are going to shut down strip clubs, and actively work towards it, why should I care if they WANT to shut them down, vs doing it because it is a campaign promise. Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. You may agree with their policies or not, but you can't fault a person for enjoy…

>Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. Please mention one politician who works against their own interest. Cos I don't know any.

Bernie Sanders is a millionaire who will absolutely raise his own tax rate for the good of the country.
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