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Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

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Post by lowdose »

GhettoMaestro wrote: post #6
lowdose wrote: post #3

So what, nobody at tech wants to be responsible for a Docker strategy decision. The article still has no answer on why it is so difficult to actually get a Sonos to play nice with the two interfaces supplied by Amazon and Google. These are becoming industry standard functioning interfaces i.e. APIs that every consumer can hookup with IFTTT.

I really wish people (you) would read. > The other thing that rings true in the NYT story is the detail that Google told Sonos it would pull Google Assistant support if Sonos enabled simultaneous wake words. That’s the feature which lets speakers listen for both “Alexa” and “Okay Google” at the same time. Google really comes off looking like a bully.

At the time I wrote my comment there was just 1 comment. Specifically about Sonos acquiring an AI speech startup which wasn't mentioned in the article. This was information enough for me discarding Sonos POV around what you call bullying.

I usually read the article first, the comments second and write something when I think I have something to add to the discussion.

I really wish you read the HN rules specifically mentioning not to comment about assumptions on reading!

Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

#32

Post by aprvchndrs »

lowdose wrote: post #31
GhettoMaestro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish people (you) would read. > The other thing that rings true in the NYT story is the detail that Google told Sonos it would pull Google Assistant support if Sonos enabled simultaneous wake words. That’s the feature which lets speakers listen for both “Alexa” and “Okay Google” at the same time. Google really comes off looking like a bully.

At the time I wrote my comment there was just 1 comment. Specifically about Sonos acquiring an AI speech startup which wasn't mentioned in the article. This was information enough for me discarding Sonos POV around what you call bullying. I usually read the article first, the comments second and write something when I think I have something to add to the discussion. I really wish you read the HN rules specifically me…

> The article still has no answer on why it is so difficult to actually get a Sonos to play nice with the two interfaces supplied by Amazon and Google

This is answered in the article. That's what GhettoMaestro is talking about. Specifically - Google said that it would pull Assistant support if Sonos added support to simultaneously listen for Alexa. That's the answer as to why they don't support 2 competing interfaces. Not a technical decision - but looks more like a business decision from Google.

Even if you disregard bullying - this seems like a way for Google to assert exclusivity.

>APIs that every consumer can hookup with IFTTT

This only works if the API is open enough to use. I somehow don't think Amazon Alexa and Google Assistant agreements with third-parties would support that.

Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

#33

Post by lonelappde »

bagacrap wrote: post #26
falcolas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because Sonos got there first Devil's advocate: That's exactly what patents are for though. Someone had a really good idea, built it, and someone else came along and said "that's a really great idea, I'm going to do that too." We, as technologists, keep asserting that ideas have value, until it's an idea we really want. > Google, Apple, and Amazon should not be able to make internet connected speakers They absolute…

Can I then file patents for 'internet connected X', for all X, and expect every tech company who figures out how to actually build the thing to pay me royalties? Sonos had a first movers advantage which they exploited with an over priced product. Now they're having trouble competing so they turn to the courts instead of making a better product. I have to say that taking Google to court seems like an all or nothing st…

As with many things, Richard Feynman did it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19761433

Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

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Post by lowdose »

aprvchndrs wrote: post #32
lowdose wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time I wrote my comment there was just 1 comment. Specifically about Sonos acquiring an AI speech startup which wasn't mentioned in the article. This was information enough for me discarding Sonos POV around what you call bullying. I usually read the article first, the comments second and write something when I think I have something to add to the discussion. I really wish you read the HN rules specifically me…

> The article still has no answer on why it is so difficult to actually get a Sonos to play nice with the two interfaces supplied by Amazon and Google This is answered in the article. That's what GhettoMaestro is talking about. Specifically - Google said that it would pull Assistant support if Sonos added support to simultaneously listen for Alexa. That's the answer as to why they don't support 2 competing interfaces…

Sounds like healthy competition behavior to me. Sonos is always allowed to push 2 sku's one for Alexa and one for GA.

Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

#35

Post by lonelappde »

GhettoMaestro wrote: post #6
lowdose wrote: post #3

So what, nobody at tech wants to be responsible for a Docker strategy decision. The article still has no answer on why it is so difficult to actually get a Sonos to play nice with the two interfaces supplied by Amazon and Google. These are becoming industry standard functioning interfaces i.e. APIs that every consumer can hookup with IFTTT.

I really wish people (you) would read. > The other thing that rings true in the NYT story is the detail that Google told Sonos it would pull Google Assistant support if Sonos enabled simultaneous wake words. That’s the feature which lets speakers listen for both “Alexa” and “Okay Google” at the same time. Google really comes off looking like a bully.

Please follow the HN civility guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

#36

Post by lonelappde »

lowdose wrote: post #34
aprvchndrs wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article still has no answer on why it is so difficult to actually get a Sonos to play nice with the two interfaces supplied by Amazon and Google This is answered in the article. That's what GhettoMaestro is talking about. Specifically - Google said that it would pull Assistant support if Sonos added support to simultaneously listen for Alexa. That's the answer as to why they don't support 2 competing interfaces…

Sounds like healthy competition behavior to me. Sonos is always allowed to push 2 sku's one for Alexa and one for GA.

Holding users hostage and pressuring them to purchase expensive unnecessary additional hardware (wasting resources and pollution) is not healthy competition.

Re: Sonos: Working with big tech sucks

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Post by GhettoMaestro »

lonelappde wrote: post #35
GhettoMaestro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish people (you) would read. > The other thing that rings true in the NYT story is the detail that Google told Sonos it would pull Google Assistant support if Sonos enabled simultaneous wake words. That’s the feature which lets speakers listen for both “Alexa” and “Okay Google” at the same time. Google really comes off looking like a bully.

Please follow the HN civility guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Fuck off. I've told you faggots to piss off for a long time. Dumbass motherfucker.
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