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Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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I dearly hope the offer a decent tablet that is inexpensive and not tied to a mobile carrier. I think one of the things that killed Palm/Pre was that they tried to play the 'mobile phone' game, when they could have gone 'retro' with the "pda without a mobile phone" and done much better. Lots of geeks and non geeks would be willing to give a device a spot in their lives that doesn't displace their current mobile phone…

I think to be successful, Palm would have had to offer both a PDA and a smartphone. I think the problem was that Palm didn't have the resources to do both. Even when you look at something like the Palm Pre 2, you can kinda see that Palm hasn't been able to keep up. At a time when only the really low-end devices have 320x480 screens and 3.1" screens, the Palm Pre 2 gets introduced with those specs. Apple has shown tha…

valid points - i meant to type $200, but for some reason was thinking of the nanos and other devices and got $150ish in my head.

The huge sales of the touch at $230+ make my point even more, though, in many ways. People are OK with spending a moderate amount of money on a decent device. We can't be expected to drop everything for the next 'mobile device' that requires 2 year contracts all the time. Yes, tech bloggers and a few ubergeeks can do this - most people can't and won't.

"There's a reason why HTC, LG, Samsung, and Motorola have all created great Android smartphones". I think it's because they're basically lazy and unimaginative. Having Android dropped in their lap means they can ride a bandwagon without having to spend as much on R&D - they can use that money for even more invasive "nascar/nfl" licensing deals to put non-removable widgets on the device homescreen! (yes, I'm more than a bit cynical about this).

I had had high hopes for Palm with the webOS was first launched, but saw them trying to play the 'me too' game by only offering mobile phones, which are tied to carriers, and bring a huge baggage with them - legions of people who will never leave or never use particular carriers.

It's all water under the bridge now, but if anyone had the ability to redefine the PDA space, it was Palm, if only because of the legacy of the name. Well, that tied with the relative boldness of webOS - I wanted one, but I didn't want to have to tie up thousands of dollars and years of my life with a particular company.

FWIW, I have done that with AT&T/iphone, but relatively late in the game, and opted for it only after I realized how poorly the pre was going to play out being tied to sprint. I occasionally travel overseas and couldn't deal with CDMA only, and also already had some family on AT&T and the 'free minutes' thing tipped the balance.

Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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I just wanted to chime in and say that webOS is pretty cool to develop for. I went to a developer outreach event in San Diego a while back, and managed to make a fully-functional FMyLife app in less than 3 hours (not knowing anything about webOS beforehand).

Developing for webOS is a lot like developing Flex applications (which I had done previously), except the API is way less complicated than Flex's API, and it's all in HTML/CSS/JavaScript. I had a set of posters with all of the Flex objects/events/methods and it was seriously 3 posters worth of 9pt text.

I was really happy to hear that webOS was given new life at HP, because I had a really nice time developing for it and I was hoping that it would get some traction so I would have a reason to develop for it for real.

Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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post #29

I dearly hope the offer a decent tablet that is inexpensive and not tied to a mobile carrier. I think one of the things that killed Palm/Pre was that they tried to play the 'mobile phone' game, when they could have gone 'retro' with the "pda without a mobile phone" and done much better. Lots of geeks and non geeks would be willing to give a device a spot in their lives that doesn't displace their current mobile phone…

I think to be successful, Palm would have had to offer both a PDA and a smartphone. I think the problem was that Palm didn't have the resources to do both. Even when you look at something like the Palm Pre 2, you can kinda see that Palm hasn't been able to keep up. At a time when only the really low-end devices have 320x480 screens and 3.1" screens, the Palm Pre 2 gets introduced with those specs. Apple has shown tha…

re: contract phones.... they're still tied to carriers, no? I don't think I can use that no-contract iPhone on any other carrier than AT&T, can I? I really don't know. It's insulting to have to pay that 'subsidy' markup when in fact I can't use it on any other network anyway.

Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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post #32

I just wanted to chime in and say that webOS is pretty cool to develop for. I went to a developer outreach event in San Diego a while back, and managed to make a fully-functional FMyLife app in less than 3 hours (not knowing anything about webOS beforehand). Developing for webOS is a lot like developing Flex applications (which I had done previously), except the API is way less complicated than Flex's API, and it's a…

The OS is promising but the phones are ugly. Those keyboards are just weird looking. I hope webOS takes off though, a trio of iOS, Android and webOS would be pretty cool.

Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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Please oh please open source it. You failed to do it with Be, please learn from the past!

People had been doing some pretty nifty stuff even before the native SDK for webOS came out so I'm not sure what you mean by open sourcing it. Among the various platforms they are probably the most open and their developer tools are light years ahead of anything the competition has to offer.

Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think to be successful, Palm would have had to offer both a PDA and a smartphone. I think the problem was that Palm didn't have the resources to do both. Even when you look at something like the Palm Pre 2, you can kinda see that Palm hasn't been able to keep up. At a time when only the really low-end devices have 320x480 screens and 3.1" screens, the Palm Pre 2 gets introduced with those specs. Apple has shown tha…

re: contract phones.... they're still tied to carriers, no? I don't think I can use that no-contract iPhone on any other carrier than AT&T, can I? I really don't know. It's insulting to have to pay that 'subsidy' markup when in fact I can't use it on any other network anyway.

You can use any unlocked tri-band GSM phone as a phone on any GSM networks, but many of them use different bands for 3G. In the US, the only other GSM provider is T-Mobile, which doesn't share AT&T's bands.

Re: Remind HN: webOS Announcement Today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, there's no news on the relevant question yet. Will it be price competitive with the iPad?

I think there are several unanswered relevant questions: 1. Is it priced competitively (base model between $400 and $600)? 2. Does the software fit the form factor (unlike current Android tablets)? 3. Is its hardware up to the task (not in terms of specs but in terms of “snappiness”) and does it have competitive battery life? 4. Will it be available immediately or very soon? Some of those questions will be answered t…

So after the event it seems it's now

1. We don't know yet

2. Yes, it looks really nice on a tablet size device

3. According to the demo it is (although an independent review would be better)

4. "This summer", or "No, it won't".

4 is the real bummer for me. Again the Pre-alike "We got something cool, _wait for it_" attitude..

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