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Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by qaq »

beefield wrote: post #24

I'm quite tired of the framing of the climate change discussion, whether it exists or not. It is like you pondering whether your house is going to actually burn next year or not when you think about purchasing insurance. Completely idiotic question. What you are thinking is the risk (i.e probability times loss) of your house burning. So no, I am not going to tell you that the climate catastrophe is going to happen. W…

Well if we are talking about risks and probabilities. There are events with non-trivial probability that can negate the effects of this such as major volcanic eruptions or nuclear war etc.

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by kmlx »

skilled wrote: post #6

Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours. In comparison, when I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. You had to prepare opposed to nowadays, where buying a winter jacket comes down to preference. Cold or not cold... But climate change is a hoax, right?

weather isn't climate

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by mikro2nd »

Taniwha wrote: post #13

Australia is burning, its government doesn't seem to think anything is wrong, they just want to dig more coal

They might not get the chance: latest news[1] this morning is that some of the coal seams have caught fire underground!

This is catastrophic. Underground coal (and oil) fires are near-impossible to put out and are generally just left alone to burn, usually for decades before/if they run out of fuel.

[1] https://twitter.com/maetl/status/1213420680579964929?s=20

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by pnako »

beefield wrote: post #24

I'm quite tired of the framing of the climate change discussion, whether it exists or not. It is like you pondering whether your house is going to actually burn next year or not when you think about purchasing insurance. Completely idiotic question. What you are thinking is the risk (i.e probability times loss) of your house burning. So no, I am not going to tell you that the climate catastrophe is going to happen. W…

I don't think many people ignore the science. Quite a few of us do ignore the over-the-top doom saying and fear mongering, and the patronizing tone.

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by buboard »

it would be naive/foolish to expect that the enormous technological progress and overpopulation by humans would not affect the environment. The question is how fast can people and ecosystems adapt. This is not the first nor the biggest change the earth has seen by far. It's also naive to think that politics is going to reverse that change - it's a technological problem.

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by mhb »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #28
beefield wrote: post #24

I'm quite tired of the framing of the climate change discussion, whether it exists or not. It is like you pondering whether your house is going to actually burn next year or not when you think about purchasing insurance. Completely idiotic question. What you are thinking is the risk (i.e probability times loss) of your house burning. So no, I am not going to tell you that the climate catastrophe is going to happen. W…

It is important to distinguish the basis of the change. Whether anthropogenic or of other causes (or, likely, a mix of causes). The same change in weather could have different responses based on the cause. It is also important to talk about what to change. Some governmental/industrial changes could cause the deaths of millions or billions of people (doing absolutely nothing might do the same), it is important to have…

It is important to distinguish the basis of the change

Why does that do anything but confuse matters? The cause of the change doesn't affect anything else you have said about how to address it.

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by bobajeff »

beefield wrote: post #24

I'm quite tired of the framing of the climate change discussion, whether it exists or not. It is like you pondering whether your house is going to actually burn next year or not when you think about purchasing insurance. Completely idiotic question. What you are thinking is the risk (i.e probability times loss) of your house burning. So no, I am not going to tell you that the climate catastrophe is going to happen. W…

As someone who's not up to date on all the climate research. Are most the scientists in agreement that climate change is a result of our actions? And do they all agree on how dangerous changes to our climate are?

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by Consultant32452 »

yokaze wrote: post #14
supercall wrote: post #2

People's financial incentives are not aligned with the climate's necessary modifications. The two won't be aligned until climate passes over its tipping point and enters an irreversible feedback loop.

Or laws/taxes are passed, which incorporate the externalities, and subventions for detrimental efforts are cut. That is "just" a matter of political will.

How much war are you willing to wage to force other countries to do the same? I think that's really the only question that matters when it comes to the "everybody pass laws" plan.

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Post by beefield »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #28
beefield wrote: post #24

I'm quite tired of the framing of the climate change discussion, whether it exists or not. It is like you pondering whether your house is going to actually burn next year or not when you think about purchasing insurance. Completely idiotic question. What you are thinking is the risk (i.e probability times loss) of your house burning. So no, I am not going to tell you that the climate catastrophe is going to happen. W…

It is important to distinguish the basis of the change. Whether anthropogenic or of other causes (or, likely, a mix of causes). The same change in weather could have different responses based on the cause. It is also important to talk about what to change. Some governmental/industrial changes could cause the deaths of millions or billions of people (doing absolutely nothing might do the same), it is important to have…

> Advocating for the removal of voting rights for those who disagree so that we can arrange their future for them may be counterproductive.

I disagree slightly. Not "may be" but "is" counterproductive. Occasionally you just need to vent out actual opinions and ignore the productivity...

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