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When good ideas make bad business

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Re: When good ideas make bad business

#31

Oof. The site was practically named after WebMD, and the founder didn't do any market research on that competitor to gauge how viable the business was before quitting their job? This person probably should have known that their main competitor made $0.50/user before they quit their job. Also: >It had been a bit of a working assumption of mine over the past few weeks that if you could improve the health of the patient…

I feel like the best play would have been to spend 100% of his effort to get WebMD as the first Angel Investor.

If WebMD owned 20% of his product, for say $300k in Seed Money, he could have used that Runway to build something really cool.

And WebMD would have an incentive to promote his site and help bring free users.

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#32
It was really good to read some self reflection and analysis on why you failed. Most people ignore the actual reasons their ideas/businesses fail and instead blame it on someone, or something... Most of the time, its the fact that there was no real market for their product!

Silicon Valley doesnt necessarily suffer from a lack of engineering talent as so much a lack of marketing talent. Far too many ideas go to market without any understanding of the actual market. But hey, people get to say they were a CEO for a few months and that sounds great on their Tinder, I mean LinkedIn profile. Right?

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#33
That was really great writing, though :-).

But this part:

> “And that isn’t worth something? Prescribing better treatments?”

> “Hmmmm,” she said, picking at her fingernails. “Not directly. Of course I always have the best interests of my patients in mind, but, you know, it’s not like they’ll pay more if I prescribe Lexapro instead of Zoloft. They won’t come back more often or refer more friends. So I’d sorta just be, like, donating this money if I paid you for this thing, right?”

So, what's the obvious next step ? Prescribing things that won't work so patients keep coming back but not badenough that they flee to another practice ?

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#34

Could you try to sell it to insurance companies? They might find value in providing it for free to clinicians because they might save money with better outcomes / preventing follow up visits.

Insurance companies don't care about outcomes - most are structured in a cost plus model where they make the "plus" - so if anything, something that costs more is better for them.

this is quickly changing. For insurers that offer Medicare Advantage plans, they get paid on a per-member per-month model, so outcomes are very germane to their profit margin.

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#35
Realistically, while I feel that the author is on the right track with this data driven approach to evidence based medicine, the fact remains that the advantages/disadvantages between drugs within the same class of medicine tend to be negligible compared to drug costs. There are then other specific concerns that must be considered eg pregnancy/breastfeeding, liver failure, kidney failure and often what ends up is that one defaults to a standard drug per drug class with alternatives in specific circumstances.

The real benefit IMO would be marketing this to countries with a top down healthcare purchasing system (eg the UK) or as a tool to drug companies/researchers looking to make their own meta analyses (eg abstrackr). It might also be better instead to diversify into correlating symptom clusters with diseases because then the utility to the end user is bigger.

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#37

So one thing I will add, you might want to approach the companies that are at the top of the list and offer them the tool as a sale tool. But overall, the goal of health care as a commercial Endover is to keep you sick (I.e., not healthy, since then you will not spend, and not dead). So the goal of selling to health care professionals is actually the opposite of your goal of helping patients.

I think this is overstated most of the time, otherwise why would we have vaccines?

However, I would be on board with saying that when situations get dire, risk management begins to diverge incentives between patients and providers.

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#38
I'm so confused by the tone of this article. Obviously some of the jokes are parodying startup culture and are meant to be funny, however I think the "fantastic idea" stuff is meant seriously?

"So I built something people wanted. Consumers wanted it, doctors wanted it, I wanted it. Where did I go wrong?"

As far as I can tell, nobody wanted it except the author. The one doctor he talked to didn't, and no consumer ever saw it. I feel like the author learned a lesson, but not the full lesson.

Reading this was like watching someone you don't politically agree with doing comedy. You know they're trying to be funny, but you also know they're missing the whole point and aren't self-aware.

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#39
> Make something people want. It’s Y-Combinator’s motto and a maxim of aspiring internet entrepreneurs. The idea is that if you build something truly awesome, you’ll figure out a way to make some money off of it.

Nice narrative style and congratulations on achieving your (first?) failure without too much trauma.

It's possible you invested your own money prematurely, possibly without talking to enough people about the opportunity. Your metric for how much people want something is usually directly tied to revenue, or if you are using engagement as your metric, you should have figured out some way to make money off of it before you invested in development. I suggest that other engineering-minded founders think of sales like writing "hello world" -- for example, if you're doing a physical consumer product, you can start by shipping pet rocks on day one.

More than just identifying a product people want, you also want to find a network effect or viral marketing approach so you can grow with a sustainable advantage.

Re: When good ideas make bad business

#40

Oof. The site was practically named after WebMD, and the founder didn't do any market research on that competitor to gauge how viable the business was before quitting their job? This person probably should have known that their main competitor made $0.50/user before they quit their job. Also: >It had been a bit of a working assumption of mine over the past few weeks that if you could improve the health of the patient…

I feel like the best play would have been to spend 100% of his effort to get WebMD as the first Angel Investor. If WebMD owned 20% of his product, for say $300k in Seed Money, he could have used that Runway to build something really cool. And WebMD would have an incentive to promote his site and help bring free users.

that's exactly what I was thinking - plus what startup story is complete without some VC intervention?
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