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On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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NYC has learned the hard way that there should be some preservation; destroying/modifying a building is a one-way act, and over a long enough time horizon someone will eventually make a bad decision that everyone regrets later. See for example Penn Station: a beautiful landmark that was demolished by a real estate company because they deemed it too expensive to maintain. In the act they created a horrible black mark…

You're mis-interpreting Bostonian's argument. He said not that preservation is bad but that the city ought to buy the building. We've got eminent domain for a reason: the state can't force someone to keep his building the same for the pleasure of the public. What it _can_ do is pay him a fair market value, via eminent domain, to maintain it as a public good. That's the right thing to do, rather than saddling the owne…

I think it's a bit more complicated. Some brief overview of preservation in the US:

There exists a National Register of Historic Places (operated by the Parks Service) with about 90,000 entries, and within that scope is the National Historic Landmark registry, with about 2,600. Both may trigger local and state preservation laws, but the latter requires the consent of the owner to be included. About 50% of places on the NHL registry are privately owned.

Private institutions are usually not required to keep up the property to exacting standards, as the laws that govern property rights still apply to NHLs. Many matching grants are issued for NHLs, but at the same time, many private properties designated NHLs do become abandoned and fall into severe disrepair. Most NHLs are afforded tax breaks based on the cost of preserving the property.

But in the Strand's case, it appears that the "landmark" designation that's been assigned is a "New York City Landmark" status, making it a local issue. NYC law allows for the Landmarks Preservation Commission's decision to be overturned if an appeal is filed within 90 days, and hearings were held and motions filed against it, but apparently the NYC LPC went ahead with the status anyway.

So it seems like there needn't be a new requirement for the City to buy the property, or fund it, but the City's preservation agency could perhaps mimic the federal government's initiatives and give owners more leeway. (However, this may lead to more properties becoming abandoned and decaying, as happens currently with NHLs)

Still, the Strand's main objective doesn't seem to be getting reimbursed for costs: it's time. Apparently they're saying they would need to spend a lot of time to go through complex bureaucracy just to get a permit for some repairs, in addition to legal costs. Going through all that could stall business long enough for small-margin operations to go under. Regardless of who pays for what, if the regulation is too onerous, they just don't want the designation.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Previously on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21228237 There is clearly a real problem when private landowners suddenly face much, much lower property values at the same time residents ensure their own continued enjoyment of the historically valuable building. The real irony will be if the Strand moves its bookstore elsewhere, or simply closes. The value of this building is largely tied in with the business,…

Also this bit from a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18610699

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Right - this is familiar to New York City residents but anyone unfamiliar with the local politics needs a primer. NYC does a lot of crazy stuff like this - it’s usually a thinly disguised cash grab. The Strand is a relatively huge chunk of real estate in a hipster part of town, this is probably someone’s scheme to force them out - wait until the press has died down then suddenly the sidewalk and facade inspectors sho…

You often receive tax breaks when you own a landmark property to compensate for the increased difficulty and higher standard of maintenance, as well as the fact that you're effectively providing a public service. Many historic towns have an equivalent status. Why do you say it's a cash grab for the city? I could be wrong, but I don't believe the city receives any revenue for this. Also, I wouldn't really describe NoH…

It's a cash grab if there's sufficient coordination for a pareto efficiency.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Not an effective website as a passerby. I'm unfamiliar with both the Strand and the landmarking process. It took me to the third screenful of text to figure out why The Strand doesn't want to be designated a landmark, For every repair and every upgrade, The Strand would have to go through the slow bureaucracy of the Landmarks Preservation Commission which adds to the expanses to keep Strand alive. This type of inform…

> For every repair and every upgrade, The Strand would have to go through the slow bureaucracy of the Landmarks Preservation Commission which adds to the expanses to keep Strand alive. The reason they bury this line is that it's a lie. 826/828 Broadway was only designated for its exterior not interior ( http://s-media.nyc.gov/agencies/lpc/lp/2615.pdf ) as was widely reported at the time ( https://www.nytimes.com/2019…

You are the liar.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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> For every repair and every upgrade, The Strand would have to go through the slow bureaucracy of the Landmarks Preservation Commission which adds to the expanses to keep Strand alive. The reason they bury this line is that it's a lie. 826/828 Broadway was only designated for its exterior not interior ( http://s-media.nyc.gov/agencies/lpc/lp/2615.pdf ) as was widely reported at the time ( https://www.nytimes.com/2019…

You are the liar.

This is my favorite reply of all time. Beautiful absurdist humour. Thanks :)
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