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Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

One time I was in Amsterdam, a guy approached us and pretty bluntly asked if we need any cocaine. That was pretty telling.

Has happened to me in London a few times as well.

Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

Oh cmon. I live in Europe and I'm all for legalizing drugs, all drugs, but only a few popular drugs come to my mind which are more harmful then MDMA... Americans can talk about how harmful fake MDMA is and how you can manage risk better if it's legal. But anyone living in Europe, where there's loads of high quality stuff selling for a few euros per dose, and socialising with other users can easily see the harm it doe…

As far as drugs go, legal and illegal, MDMA is fairly safe, unless abused. But I think that's irrelevant when it comes to legalizing or decriminalizing.

It doesn't really matter how bad it is for you since, at the moment, nothing is stopping you from buying and swallowing as much as you can. The ones who will do harm with it when legalized are the same ones who do it now. The legality of it does not do anything to stop harm from being done.

Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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post #9

I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

Oh cmon. I live in Europe and I'm all for legalizing drugs, all drugs, but only a few popular drugs come to my mind which are more harmful then MDMA... Americans can talk about how harmful fake MDMA is and how you can manage risk better if it's legal. But anyone living in Europe, where there's loads of high quality stuff selling for a few euros per dose, and socialising with other users can easily see the harm it doe…

I think you're confusing MDMA and ecstasy. Most non-users think they're the same thing, when, in reality, they're like tea and Nestea: MDMA is the main component of XTC pills, but they often also have MDA, 2CB, amphetamine, methamphetamine, mephedrone and other components inside, which break through habitual users tolerance, but also significantly raise neurotoxicity and hangover. Pure crystal MDMA is much less toxic and often can surprise someone who used pills before by an almost complete lack of suicide Tuesday syndrome.

Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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post #13

What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy. Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize…

>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

No need to look for them.

I was there just recently and you practically need to push them away. Even when I got an uber back to the hotel the driver tried to sell me weed, some kind of gas canisters with laughing gas or something, and a handful other similar shit.

Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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post #13

What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy. Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize…

>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

Please do not buy drugs from the street. Ask for a reliable dealer through a Dutch friend. Also either way always send the pills to a test lab if you have the time. They will tell you how much is in there so you know what you are taking and can dose accordingly. The infrastructure for safe usage is there; so use it!

Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

#38
post #3

Huh, maybe mass immigration of culturally distinct impoverished and unskilled young men isn't a good policy after all...

If the unskilled young men were left in their home country, they would still be unskilled for the rest of their lives. But, by bringing them in we are not only teaching them how to be more skilled, but also teaching our society how to more efficiently take unskilled workers and bring them up to a highly skilled workers who can live a middle class life style like you or me. This is because the more you focus on someth…

The best way to help Africans is for Africans to help themselves in Africa first, then we can see how to help through investments in Africa.

All the "let's welcome immigrants" discourse might give warm feelings to some but it does not help solving the issues in the countries of origin, and it also creates social issues in the countries of destination.

I think it would be much more helpful to e.g. have more students programs whereby bright young people from these countries can get visas and scholarships to study and get a professional experience in Europe with the hard requirement that they must then return to their home countries afterwards.

Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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post #9

I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

Oh cmon. I live in Europe and I'm all for legalizing drugs, all drugs, but only a few popular drugs come to my mind which are more harmful then MDMA... Americans can talk about how harmful fake MDMA is and how you can manage risk better if it's legal. But anyone living in Europe, where there's loads of high quality stuff selling for a few euros per dose, and socialising with other users can easily see the harm it doe…

So can you describe the harm you see it does? I don't see it around me, having friends who have done it a lot when younger.

What I do see is MDMA being more and more accepted as a therapeutic tool, given further studies will confirm what the research has told us until now.

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