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Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by kick »

smabie wrote: post #10
cryptocoder wrote: post #9

This is great. It would be good if all life-critical software was open-sourced like this. Maybe something that should in fact be required? But, ”in turn, we receive support in taking our AI software to the next level of development” I bet they are mainly looking for help. They are trying to figure out why their software is not capable to do what it is supposed to, and hoping someone can assist. I’m ready to consult t…

You’re saying I should be forced as a developer to share the code of everything I do? That sounds pretty despotic, tbh.

Why not? If a person perceives proprietary software to be harmful, as a lot of people do, then it only follows there should be laws against it. Or, alternatively, if they see it like they do speech, others should be able to decompile it, comment, and redistribute it without consequence.

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by iudqnolq »

kick wrote: post #30
iudqnolq wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you! My favorite passage: > YOLOv3 is a good detector. It’s fast, it’s accurate. It’s not as great on the COCO average AP between .5 and .95 IOU metric. But it’s very good on the old detection metric of .5 IOU. Why did we switch metrics anyway? The original COCO paper just has this cryptic sentence: “A full discussion of evaluation metrics will be added once the evaluation server is complete”. Russakovsky et al…

For people who don't get how the last statement ties in: on the actual paper, the third line 'iudqnolq quotes has a superset 1 on it. The PDF doesn't allow you to highlight the 1, so the punchline isn't as strong.

I didn't notice I missed that. Thanks

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by EsssM7QVMehFPAs »

adrianmonk wrote: post #14
cryptocoder wrote: post #9

This is great. It would be good if all life-critical software was open-sourced like this. Maybe something that should in fact be required? But, ”in turn, we receive support in taking our AI software to the next level of development” I bet they are mainly looking for help. They are trying to figure out why their software is not capable to do what it is supposed to, and hoping someone can assist. I’m ready to consult t…

> life-critical software The article could be clearer on this, but when it refers to "production", I think it means factories and logistics. (At least that's how I put together "production" in the headline with "implementing next-level production processes throughout its plants" from the first sentence.) In other words, I think they use these algorithms in manufacturing systems, and they aren't putting this software…

It's object tracking and classification, so imagine a 2 ton robot arm swinging around a factory and failing to detect a person in the way.

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by EsssM7QVMehFPAs »

jsinai wrote: post #4
snops wrote: post #2

Algorithms doesn't seem to be the right term, this seems to be more tooling, like this wrapper for Tensorflow and YOLO training that runs a variety of monitoring tools for you: https://github.com/BMW-InnovationLab/BMW-YOLOv3-Training-Aut...

Well they are the algorithms that are they are using, whether they built them or not

They have simply checked in the libdarknet.so - quite overselling on the algorithm part in the blog.

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by Iv »

currymj wrote: post #8

the YoloV3 (the model that these tools are designed to work with) paper is extremely funny and worth reading for anyone who hasn't. https://pjreddie.com/media/files/papers/YOLOv3.pdf

I love that they include a "Things We Tried That Didn’t Work" section.

At first I was a bit put down by the bloggish tone but it does not obfuscate nor impair communication of information, so yes, pretty good paper!

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by kalleboo »

zcw100 wrote: post #16
samcodes wrote: post #5

This is impressive only because they are in automotive. I worked in that industry for years, they are generally at least a decade behind the rest of the software world

Tesla isn't but this is one of the biggest problems I have with Tesla that I don't hear many people talking about. Tesla is more like a laptop with wheels than a car with a computer. That's fine but I'm not going to upgrade my car on the same schedule that I upgrade my laptop. It would be nice if Tesla allowed you to buy a new "shell" and transfer over your old battery pack. I wonder what the cost breakdown between b…

$15,000 for a replacement battery pack for the model 3, so manufacture cost will be a bit under that.

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by aidenn0 »

cryptocoder wrote: post #9

This is great. It would be good if all life-critical software was open-sourced like this. Maybe something that should in fact be required? But, ”in turn, we receive support in taking our AI software to the next level of development” I bet they are mainly looking for help. They are trying to figure out why their software is not capable to do what it is supposed to, and hoping someone can assist. I’m ready to consult t…

I think having the source available for inspection is a very good goal, but there is the issue of "we invested millions into it and now anybody can copy it" which would be the de-facto result even if they retained copyright on it.

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by aidenn0 »

EsssM7QVMehFPAs wrote: post #33
adrianmonk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> life-critical software The article could be clearer on this, but when it refers to "production", I think it means factories and logistics. (At least that's how I put together "production" in the headline with "implementing next-level production processes throughout its plants" from the first sentence.) In other words, I think they use these algorithms in manufacturing systems, and they aren't putting this software…

It's object tracking and classification, so imagine a 2 ton robot arm swinging around a factory and failing to detect a person in the way.

Factory floors will typically have a light-curtain around things like 2 ton robot arms...

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by foobar_user »

currymj wrote: post #8

the YoloV3 (the model that these tools are designed to work with) paper is extremely funny and worth reading for anyone who hasn't. https://pjreddie.com/media/files/papers/YOLOv3.pdf

Is there a github for the results cited in this paper? If not then I have one confusion despite the paper being awesomely written. We need more like this. I dislike the lifeless way the new research is communicated. I have to force to read them but not to this so much.

Now coming to the question- Is the input size and output size same that is why box top-left coordinated (bx, by) prediction corresponds to offset(cx) + prediction (sigma(tx)) and similar for y?

Re: BMW shares AI tools used in production

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Post by ignoramceisblis »

fock wrote: post #26

sorry for the negative vibes, but this looks a lot like some fake buzz to create some credible BMW-traineed profiles – none of the profiles linked with the project is older than 5 days...

At least on using the age of git/GitHub repos to determine the legitimacy of a project/effort: I would say it's not uncommon for some groups to time the release of their code with the publication of some announcement of it. I'd also say it's not unusual to adjust (for example, collapse) the git repo history when publishing code.
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