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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by dewey » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:07 PM UTC

jplayer01 wrote: post #19

I don't understand. Their partner is Mullvad. Mullvad has servers across the entire god damn globe. Why is this US-only? Why is it US-only going into early 2020, as in, months to provide service to non-US regions in what's probably going to be a limited roll-out to "select regions"? It's not the 90s anymore. It's time to drop the US-centric crap. They're not a publisher. They're not distributing movies or TV series.

It’s pretty normal to test features in one market and then roll it out and solve scaling issues or bugs that crop up. If you have a flawless strategy to scale and roll out a big bug free release across the globe I’m sure a lot of people would be interested in that.

Just like Disney+ that started in the Netherlands months before starting in the US.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by unethical_ban » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:09 PM UTC

freedrock87 wrote: post #12

Watching Firefox sinking to essentially licensing its name like an obsolete fashion brand is sad.

Another way to look at it:

Watching Firefox leverage its reputation as a privacy and security advocate is helpful for many people who care, but are not technically inclined.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by LatteLazy » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:09 PM UTC

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me?

This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland).

And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay.

Plus its not available except on windows 10 (where its beta).

And its US only

What is Firefox/Mozilla offering me here that I don't get from NordVpn (who I hifhly recommend)?

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by LatteLazy » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:13 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #33

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

Best I can find is the primatives "Ed25519 for certificates, Curve25519 for key exchange (ECDHE), and ChaCha20-Poly1305 for data streams but that suite isn’t supported by OpenVPN"...

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by hellcow » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:14 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #33

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

You mean the NordVPN that was hacked for god knows how long, knew about it themselves for months, and both deliberately hid that information from their customers and failed to fix the issue in a reasonable timeframe? [0]

With Mozilla you get someone you can hopefully trust (hopefully being the operative word).

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-ha...

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:15 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #33

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by cptskippy » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

jplayer01 wrote: post #19

I don't understand. Their partner is Mullvad. Mullvad has servers across the entire god damn globe. Why is this US-only? Why is it US-only going into early 2020, as in, months to provide service to non-US regions in what's probably going to be a limited roll-out to "select regions"? It's not the 90s anymore. It's time to drop the US-centric crap. They're not a publisher. They're not distributing movies or TV series.

What are the legal implications for Mozilla with this? Hand waving that all the technology is available outside the US doesn't absolve Mozilla from Liability or Legal obligations in the US or anywhere else it's offering the service.

It's in Beta, why should they go through all the legal processes to launch the product globally where there's still the potential that the final product might look completely different or never release?

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by ericvolp12 » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #23

With the pending sale of PIA to CyberGhost, I was looking for an alternative to Librem Tunnel. A lot of users on the Purism forum suggested Mullvad and it looks like this uses that. I'll definitely be trying this on Linux when it's available. It's a shame Purism picked PIA to partner with, I want to support the company but Librem Tunnel is the only feature justifying the $7.99/month Librem One fee for me and I don't…

Mullvad already supports linux wireguard clients if you want to just cut out the firefox middleman and use it internationally too - https://mullvad.net/en/download/#linux

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by nickik » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:19 PM UTC

warhorse10_9 wrote: post #24

jplayer01 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wireguard isn't US-only in any way. Like, I literally do not understand at all. I can download a working, functional, largely stable Wireguard client on my phone or configure it on my Linux desktop without issue from outside the US. Like, US-based has no bearing on any of this. At all.

Where did you get an implication that Wireguard was US-only. The poster you are replying to is simply stating since Wireguard may still be a bit buggy, they are rolling this out in the US first to iron out any kinks before making it widely available.

Wireguard itself is probebly not buggy, but the problem is the whole software and infrastructure around it can absolutly be buggy. So it makes sense.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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Post by nickik » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #33

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

They use Wireguard a new better VPN, faster and safer. It also deals better with interuptions in the connection. This should work fine one Linux but they seem to be working on their own client.

Mullvad is a great company they help finance development for Wireguard VPN, I don't know about NordVPN.