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What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an idea of your share of the embodied energy of all the items you use in the course of your life?

To give you an idea, if you have bought a new laptop and phone, that's around another 3000kWh already.

I have 10 years old pc and bought new phone after 3 years. So 3000+3000/10+3000/3=4300

+products, so it will be 5-6k in total. Still not much.

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Somewhat tangentially related: I wrote this in a private note to a friend last year. I don't believe this 100%, but the idea is worth exploring in my opinion: 1. Corporations desperately pursue continuous growth, even when they're already profitable, and do so at the expense of the environment, employee welfare and sometimes, the rule of law. 2. Corporations pursue growth because investors demand it. 3. Investors dem…

#4 is super important once you notice that "investors" includes pension plans.

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Give up population growth. This really is key but too often overlooked.

Give up your Social Security benefits. Some has to work to pay your (and mine) SS benefits...and to change our diapers.

Natural population growth is not occurring in rich countries

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Kind of amusing that this idea is posted here on Hacker News, the center of people seeking jobs and companies that are the definition of growth. If you didn’t have growth, you’d all be waiting for your promotion at the power plant when someone dies and frees up a position for you.

What makes it amusing is the assumption that people's thoughts should be consistent with their behaviour. Being interested in growth could be a consequence of being interested in material safety. This last concern is perfectly consistent with reducing energy consumption, given climate change is a threat to material safety.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the "empty" space on the map world is an inhospitable desert. Sahara, Australian Outback, Namib, the Arctic, North American West, Tibet, Kazakhstan, Antarctica, Patagonia. Granted, a few pockets of wild forests left, Amazon, parts of Central Africa, New Guinea, Siberia. Under intense development pressure. Hard to call that "most of the world".

There certainly are ways to live there. Granted, it needs some colonization effort - still easier than colonizing Mars, and actually producing some technologies for that.

The past 200 years is the era of energy-intensive technological innovation. What is the evidence that the technology innovation pattern we've experienced so far can shift into ultra-low energy mode at scale? In inhospitable environments to boot.

PS. Mars colonization is folly.

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Most of the world is empty: https://geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/world-... We just need to learn to be efficient.

Most of the "empty" space on the map world is an inhospitable desert. Sahara, Australian Outback, Namib, the Arctic, North American West, Tibet, Kazakhstan, Antarctica, Patagonia. Granted, a few pockets of wild forests left, Amazon, parts of Central Africa, New Guinea, Siberia. Under intense development pressure. Hard to call that "most of the world".

> Most of the "empty" space on the map world is an inhospitable desert.

Southern California is an inhospitable desert, but tens of millions of people live there nonetheless.

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Somewhat tangentially related: I wrote this in a private note to a friend last year. I don't believe this 100%, but the idea is worth exploring in my opinion: 1. Corporations desperately pursue continuous growth, even when they're already profitable, and do so at the expense of the environment, employee welfare and sometimes, the rule of law. 2. Corporations pursue growth because investors demand it. 3. Investors dem…

On a quick first read of your list everything strikes me as half true at best.

They are all absolute statements, but I don't believe they're true most of the time.

1. I think most corporations are small companies

2. Microsoft didn't grow for almost a decade. Then they tippled in size. Are you suggesting that Microsoft didn't grow for a decade because investors didn't demand it, but were ready to triple in size whenever their investors showed up and demanded it?

3. This is true of any investment and not just true for professional investors.

4. This is true of everyone.

5. Most corporations pursuing continuous growth is a fallacy. The competition you describe is called Capitalism and it has many benefits. Not least of which are lower costs and better products/services for the consumer.

6. I disagree with the premise so I disagree with the conclusion.

7. Capitalism can amplify greed and greed can lead to acting immorally, which is bad, but I maintain this is rare.

8. I've been toying with the idea of the benefits of curving inflation in my mind. You're going to have to define what 'social justice' is and what restoring it looks like.

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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The argument is based on looking a the world as a whole. In developed world energy intensity of GDP is decreasing even when you take into account imports. Post-industrial economies can grow while decreasing energy use. What the author is suggesting is that the developing world should stop growing. I can't agree with that. They need their electricity and washing machines. GDP per unit of energy use (constant 2011 PPP…

They need their electricity and washing machine, but do they need exotic vacations and long commutes in powerful cars? Do they need clothes that are made to be worn for a very short time? Do they need technology that's cheap to the point of it being wasted without an afterthought?

Re: What is energy, actually? (2011)

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Somewhat tangentially related: I wrote this in a private note to a friend last year. I don't believe this 100%, but the idea is worth exploring in my opinion: 1. Corporations desperately pursue continuous growth, even when they're already profitable, and do so at the expense of the environment, employee welfare and sometimes, the rule of law. 2. Corporations pursue growth because investors demand it. 3. Investors dem…

I've long been of the opinion that the public trading of companies is directly responsible for much of the social injustice we see in the West. As soon as there's a fiduciary duty to maximise ROI, morals go out the window. If you as an officer resist, the collective of shareholders will replace you with someone who will make more money. There's a dissolution of responsibility that comes with the distributed nature of…

I have had the following thought: what if we institute a rule where any shareholder who exercises his right to vote must hold his stock for at least 2 years?
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