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Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#31

Hard to call it a successor of SMS when have the world uses iOS which does not and currently has no plans to support it. So more just another service rather than a replacement for SMS which is a way for all phones to communicate with each other.

The world is bigger than the US.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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post #17

Telcos should focus on being dump pipes and leave the application layer to others. Going into messages or even content is nothing but a rent seeking attempt to exploit a missing net neutrality mandate.

I don't really care who sets it up, but since everyone that is currently on facebook chat (be it Messenger or WhatsApp) is also a customer of some mobile carrier, having the carriers create an alternative is not a completely ridiculous idea when we want to make the chat infrastructure distributed/federated. I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture; RCS seems to be the way I'll…

> I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture

Wow, where are you living? I haven't paid to send an MMS in nearly ten years...

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really care who sets it up, but since everyone that is currently on facebook chat (be it Messenger or WhatsApp) is also a customer of some mobile carrier, having the carriers create an alternative is not a completely ridiculous idea when we want to make the chat infrastructure distributed/federated. I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture; RCS seems to be the way I'll…

> I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture Wow, where are you living? I haven't paid to send an MMS in nearly ten years...

I've seen cheap contracts where SMS is unlimited, but never anything with unlimited MMS (Netherlands).

I actually just checked what I currently pay for an MMS and youfone.nl doesn't even mention it in the price list. Since I have to ask, I guess I can't afford it :-)

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, imagine a world where your ISP gives you an email address too- doesn't really make sense.

That was completely normal.

I think that was the point: since it's normal that an ISP gives you an email address with webmail and some mega/gigabytes space, why not a messaging service supported by mobile carriers?

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholder…

> because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? In longevity. We will always need dumb pipe companies. If you can keep a decent reputation then perhaps it'll be easier to continue offering that service. You're less likely to get regulated and people will still use your services if a competitor appears. Steam is a good example on that front. If a company wants to make the maximum amount of profit then…

My idea was more about how a change in expectations of the business models of the current providers would possibly have such a negative impact on future growth and revenue predictions, their stock price couldn’t handle a revelatory switch to just being dumb pipes.

If society wants dumb pipe providers, we’ll have to radically alter the business ecology of the telecoms sector.

Oh, to have a modestly profitable and much less ambitious dumb-pipe provider eat all their lunches!

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#39

When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

Statistically most likely from a ≈25-100mb US connection while developed countries the world over have had gigabit for a decade...

Our internet is quite a bit behind because telcos in this country don't have to meaningfully compete. Plenty of legislation has cemented their market dominance through artificial (and unnecessary) barriers to entry with practically no accountability for shoddy service and infrastructure. Remember when Verizon received billions in subsidies to bring fiber to NY in the late 00s and ran off with the money with no penalty?

https://www.wired.com/story/new-york-city-verizon-internet/

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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post #4

And of course, RCS is not even end-to-end-encrypted so there is no reason whatsoever to use it over SMS or any other messaging platform. I hope we'll see a good and federated instant-messaging platform that respects privacy and is easy to adopt.

The incentives just aren't there for what you are asking for.
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