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Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Post by kd3 »

daenz wrote: post #22
devhwrng wrote: post #2

Maybe Tim Cook will show some "courage" now. [Edit] Sorry for the snark. In a market economy, the only way companies like Apple might act in the same way that compassionate human beings would, is if it were in the interests of their bottom line. Perhaps articles like this will hit critical mass, and Apple will put out a statement, carefully composed to ensure that China doesn't lose face. Perhaps they'll do something…

It's only smart to be "woke" when it's profitable.

That’s never profitable if we can believe the saying go woke, go broke.

Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Post by iscrewyou »

ratww wrote: post #28
_Microft wrote: post #5

The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed. "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating…

> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.

But the reality is this: you had the option to leave, they don’t. You survived, they probably won’t.

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Post by monocasa »

mtts wrote: post #19
monocasa wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, our prison system is worse than gulags, and we get away with it too.

Read up on the gulags sometime.

Read up on our prisons.

Like, what metric do you want to use? I'll let you pick.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

iscrewyou wrote: post #32
ratww wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.

But the reality is this: you had the option to leave, they don’t. You survived, they probably won’t.

You really don’t have an option to leave without being disciplined. Both systems are using similar tactics to create obedient factory workers; which is exactly the point. The work camp will use just more of that.

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Post by iscrewyou »

99chrisbard wrote: post #29
thruflo22 wrote: post #12

The meaning of the phrase “Made in China” has now evolved to “Do not buy”.

Hard to do when it seems that China is now the world's factory...

Not if you live economically comfortably. There are definitely products that are same but made elsewhere. Even reducing usage from 100% Chinese products to 50% Chinese products makes a difference.

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Post by __m »

_Microft wrote: post #5

The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed. "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating…

So like military service except the dancing

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Post by input_sh »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #34
iscrewyou wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the reality is this: you had the option to leave, they don’t. You survived, they probably won’t.

You really don’t have an option to leave without being disciplined. Both systems are using similar tactics to create obedient factory workers; which is exactly the point. The work camp will use just more of that.

It is an option, chosen by the parents. They weren't forced to attend that school based on their ethnicity.

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Post by weberc2 »

99chrisbard wrote: post #29
thruflo22 wrote: post #12

The meaning of the phrase “Made in China” has now evolved to “Do not buy”.

Hard to do when it seems that China is now the world's factory...

I wonder if there are any organizations that can certify products and brands. From inhumane conditions to poor quality to scammy marketing and outright fraud (especially on Amazon), I want to avoid Chinese products as much as possible. It’s difficult to avoid completely, but there’s certainly a lot of low hanging fruit.

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Post by zzzcpan »

kd3 wrote: post #26
abtinf wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly how American education is structured. What are we doing to our children?

Yes indeed, practically worldwide. As Larken Rose writes in "The most dangerous superstition": "The purported purpose of schools is to teach reading, writing, mathematics, and other academic fields of thought. But the message that institutions of “education” actually teach, far more effectively than any useful knowledge or skills, is the idea that subservience and blind obedience to “authority” are virtues. The “grade…

Not all countries are equal at this. Some push police country level obedience, like with "detentions" modeling jails.

Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Post by hamsapelea »

Considering what a certain religion does to every.single.country.where.it.spreads. it is understandable that china does this. Actually it’s pretty mild compared to what some parts of the world have turned into, and considering the dangers it brought to western europe. Let them deal with the problem there own way, for everyone’s sake!
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