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Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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post #16

It seems very wrong to describe it in those terms. I mean, what's next, an article in January about how DC has a "frozen bodies on the street" problem? It's a homeless crisis.

More than that, it's a lack of public toilets crisis. https://sf.curbed.com/2016/12/5/13845276/bathrooms-san-franc... "One for every 0.4 square miles, or one for every 6,857 residents, not even counting tourists, commuters..."

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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post #19
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that can be discovered and rescued, but not if they just shoot in a cubicle that no one even knows they are there I guess. That's the only(?) explanation on why SF closed up all public restrooms on Market street

I've seen restrooms in businesses that are installing blacklights instead of standard fluorescent/LEDs to deter people from using drugs in them - because you can't see your veins under a black light.

I believe they use blue LEDs, not blacklights (which are UV.)

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

> Not enough privacy for a drug deal. That is SF. Drug deals are done in broad daylight.

It's true. I've seen them.

Meanwhile there was that video going around of BART police arresting a guy for eating a sandwich on the platform.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Something about this article pinwheeled Firefox on my mac for two minutes before I gave up and force killed firefox. Particularly strange since I have all javascript, including first party, blocked by default with uMatrix. I had to read it with emacs. Anyway, the fact that this is even a question people wonder about should be proof enough there's a problem. I lived in Philadelphia for many years and it's generally a…

Is it the ability to be on the street year round? Maybe the more comfortable you are living outside, the more likely to use it as a bathroom. Colder climates force the homeless to use shelters and similar resources during winter months.

Maybe, but there are a lot of people living on the streets in Philly even during the winter. During the coldest nights they send vans around to coax people into shelters or at least give them blankets. I'm not sure that can account for the difference though.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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You could actually enforce the laws and put people in safe jails with better living conditions than they have now, outside the city limits. It seems like being more and more lenient is not a solution to a problem getting worse and worse.

I know you think this seems very logical, sane - but you have a tell "outside city limits" - you want these people rounded up and bused out. it's not a solution. Sane policing, treatment programs, and massive development is the solution.

Out of curiosity why is that not a solution? Why is it inherently better for them to live on the streets of SF than someplace with running water and electricity? It's also obviously better for the citizens of SF to not have to deal with human feces, dirty needles and massive amounts of property crime (at the least).

There's tons of empty space in the US, it seems reasonable to move people who are breaking the law, causing chaos and public health hazards out of highly populated areas.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give them a better place to do drugs; a place where they get free needles and can throw away the old ones properly (so they won't leave them lying about).

Im just curious if there are any examples of this kind of attitude actually working instead of just attracting more homeless people. So far it seems like San Francisco's policy of not enforcing basic quality of life laws has not made homeless people say "oh gee they sure are nice not to arrest me for dealing drugs and smashing car windows. To thank them I will not poop in the street."

Sure, there are plenty of safe injection cities all over Canada. They save lives, not promote homelessness.

https://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/public-health-topics/ha...

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> "oh gee they sure are nice not to arrest me for dealing drugs and smashing car windows. To thank them I will not poop in the street."

This is terribly reductionist, and apathy is not at all the same as actually providing help.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

#38
post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

> Not enough privacy for a drug deal. That is SF. Drug deals are done in broad daylight.

In that case the loo can't be blamed for "increasing drug deals", which is fine.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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post #7
post #4

dilemma probably is, if you build restrooms, they will do drug in there.

Give them a better place to do drugs; a place where they get free needles and can throw away the old ones properly (so they won't leave them lying about).

I can't really understand the attitude such as 'if they want to do drug, let them do it in a safe way at least'. It sounds compassionate and all, but isn't doing drug just, WRONG? I somehow feel this is an encouragement to them.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.
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