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Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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Trigger warnings aren't meant to be useful; they are a manner of virtue signalling.

Complaining about things you think are virtue signaling isn't meant to be useful; it's a manner of virtue signalling.

Wow, I whole-heartedly disagree. This is a constructive criticism of a communication technique.

If a person is lacking in the mental fortitude to be exposed to unexpected information- but that person is still putting themself in unexpected information situations, it certainly suggests that they have judgement problems.

I don't think that many people have judgement problems when it comes to avoiding pain. I agree with OP. Virtue signaling seems like the far more likely explanation for this behavior.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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The article does mention... > Consider a meta-analysis of 39 studies in 2007 by Sam Houston State University in Texas that found a ‘clear, consistent association’ between using avoidance-based coping strategies (that is, staying away from upsetting stressors or avoiding thinking about them) and increased psychological distress. ... BUT the operative word is "associated" not "caused"

People who can be expected to experience increased distress from the topic are much more likely to choose to avoid it, so I'm not surprised in the least by that association. Also from the article: > critics argue that the avoidance of potentially upsetting material is actually a counterproductive approach because it offers no chance to learn to manage one’s emotional reactions. This is wrong. You don't learn to manag…

> I really appreciate trigger warnings on content that includes it.

This is fine as long as it's kept within reason like certain more commonly occurring traumatic themes such as sexual violence, etc. Conversely, it's also possible to go too far and let this get out of hand. If, for example, we were to let everyone define whatever they feel may personally trigger or offend them, we could end up with half of everything needing various warnings for each one-in-ten-thousand person's particular sensitivity. That could grow unmanageable pretty quickly and become an unreasonable burden on publishers, performers, teachers, comedians, etc.

I feel there needs to be a healthy balance between the responsibilities we expect speaker/publisher to bear and the responsibility each individual must bear. It's reasonable to expect individuals choosing to participate in the public sphere possess a modicum of resilience. Otherwise, we risk diminishing the diversity of our robust marketplace of ideas.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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It feels like wasted effort in this context then. The article talks a lot about the university setting specifically, you can't just not engage with your course material and expect to have the same educational outcomes as someone who did. It seems like it'd be more effective for majors to list their trigger warnings before the course even starts with the understanding that if you can't handle the content then you shou…

What is material that is supposed to capitalize on surprise? It is one of those arguments that make these all discussions completely outside of my experience. I never seen material that would be harmed by that. Not even movies and I hate spoilers. I was never triggered. I was never triggered by trigger warning either, I just don't care. For all I know, veterans and raped or abused people can have all the warnings the…

>What is material that is supposed to capitalize on surprise?

It's a hard one to answer but I'll give the answers I can from my time in university. It's hard mostly because each instructor handles the material differently so often examples are oneshots.

With regard to sociology and anthropology, the Nacirema are often presented as a real tribe at first. Many students will realize what's happening, but the point of the assignment is to encourage students to realize that from the outside even their own culture is strange and in this way, so the idea goes, they are better able to view things from a neutral position because of this lesson on cultural introspection.

Other examples could be things like literature readings of classical texts. Many students are uncomfortable saying the N-Word, for obvious reasons, but censoring it diminishes the significance of the word and while that's not a bad thing in day to day life it's nonetheless bad if your goal is to impart on your students a sense of what weight that word carried in its historical context.

Movies are another good example. There are lots of classic movies that get shown to illustrate a point but part of the point is a conclusion that's arrived at over the course of a movie. On my mind when I say this is the short movie about a teacher who basically invents racism by telling her class children with one color of eye are better than the others and then later she reverses this decision. In both cases the children treated the inferior group overall worse and none of them liked being the inferior group.

>These things are rarely core issues of lectures, triggers based on what I read can be completely random things (not actual depictions of rape, but smell, sound color) which may make them useless for most.

This is ultimately the core point. Triggers are nuanced and often specific to the individual. There's no easy way to know in advanced what might set something off and so encouraging trigger warnings is ultimately encouraging censorship of long practiced content (whether that censorship is outright or in the form of encouraging a hopefully less confrontational presentation of the content which diminishes the emotional impact of the lesson).

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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The article does mention... > Consider a meta-analysis of 39 studies in 2007 by Sam Houston State University in Texas that found a ‘clear, consistent association’ between using avoidance-based coping strategies (that is, staying away from upsetting stressors or avoiding thinking about them) and increased psychological distress. ... BUT the operative word is "associated" not "caused"

Right, avoidance may not be a good coping strategy at large, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be extended the courtesy of being able to choose to avoid exposure in certain contexts. Ideally exposure therapy for trauma should be done in a controlled setting, like therapy. Heck, I don't have PTSD but I don't particularly like seeing sexual violence in movies or television shows and more than once I wish I had bee…

> Heck, I don't have PTSD but I don't particularly like seeing sexual violence in movies or television shows and more than once I wish I had been warned about it ahead of time.

Related to that, a lot of people prefer watching certain genres such as action, romance, sports, sci-fi, comedy, etc... If it's ok to inform people they're about to watch an Adam Sandler romcom then I don't see what's so bad about informing people they're about to encounter triggering content.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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My dog was afraid of taking a bath. I fixed this by rewarding her for coming into the bathroom. Once she was comfortable, I got her into the tub and rewarded her. After 15 minutes of "exposure therapy" she loves jumping into the tub and it's easier for both of us when she's stinky. I'm pretty sure people work similarly but it's hard to reward them with dog food.

People aren't dogs to be trained. To an extent, to be human and to recognize other people's humanity is to accept and accommodate their irrationality where doing so isn't particularly onerous to you.

Training works on people; people are animals. To a certain extent, this is what therapy is: helping people train parts of their brains to behave differently.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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TWs are just a CYA for incriminating content. It doesn't change the fact that people won't be either knowingly or baselessly offended by something.

Then again, I believe discomfort is a human experience and trying to insulate against it, runs against the human experience and life itself.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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People aren't dogs to be trained. To an extent, to be human and to recognize other people's humanity is to accept and accommodate their irrationality where doing so isn't particularly onerous to you.

Training works on people; people are animals. To a certain extent, this is what therapy is: helping people train parts of their brains to behave differently.

The difference is that we have therapists who are licensed to do this, and who are better at judging progress and when it might be appropriate to progress you.

Your average lecturer or teacher is not trained in this way, at least specifically regarding trauma.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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I remember some discussion here about databases with a link to CMU's Advanced Database Systems materials. This one perhaps:

https://15721.courses.cs.cmu.edu/spring2017/schedule.html#wa...

It has this warning:

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The material presented in this lecture uses explicit language and discusses certain situations in database management systems that may be triggering to some students

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After browsing some of the literature there, I honestly couldn't decide, and still can't, if it was meant as a joke or they are being serious. The joke being something like "this database that doesn't actually run fsync to write to disk before returning a successful result" or they are genuinely concerned about students' well-being.

But assuming they are serious, which I hope they are, what can students do there? Do they have a choice to avoid reading the work. Then if CS requires trigger warnings, how is history. It would just be full of brutality, abuse and awfulness.

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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I am no expert but it was my understanding that therapy for trauma often includes exposure to triggering stimuli precisely because it's not a realistic option to just hope you don't run into something triggering "in the wild" for the rest of your life.

Yes, it may, particularly if it's an unavoidable trigger. That should be done safely and consensually within the context of a therapy session/plan with a professional guiding it. It's like surgery. Entirely acceptable in certain scenarios, but you'd object if your English lit prof decided to DIY it during class.

Aren't the trigger warnings a DIY treatment themselves? In the absence of specific professional advice, I'd think the default would be to treat people normally. Why are we so eager to put trigger warnings on things without any evidence that they're doing more good than harm?

Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material

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What is material that is supposed to capitalize on surprise? It is one of those arguments that make these all discussions completely outside of my experience. I never seen material that would be harmed by that. Not even movies and I hate spoilers. I was never triggered. I was never triggered by trigger warning either, I just don't care. For all I know, veterans and raped or abused people can have all the warnings the…

>What is material that is supposed to capitalize on surprise? It's a hard one to answer but I'll give the answers I can from my time in university. It's hard mostly because each instructor handles the material differently so often examples are oneshots. With regard to sociology and anthropology, the Nacirema are often presented as a real tribe at first. Many students will realize what's happening, but the point of th…

None of those things seem to be like particularly harmed by people being told in advance that violence or rape will happen. Or even knowing in advance that racism or sexism would be depicted.

Knowing in advance that the n-word word appears will not make cornerstone speech different nor make Frederick Douglass book read different. Students don't have to say n-word to read it in context either?

Trigger warning to classic movie would not be the whole plot. Plus plenty of students will know plot or read the plot on imdb and classic movies are very mild about rape and violence due to censorship at the time and generally society overreacting to those depictions back then. (If they are about to show snuff or B movies I am actually fine with students bailing out or at least know in advance.) Are they gonna show whole movie in lecture suddenly? That would be quite unlikely, things like movies tend to be homework.

The movies that made me feel bad about violence and stuff did not relied on surprise. Surprise is for entertainment and being clever in plot.

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