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Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by foolfoolz » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:21 PM UTC

undefined3840 wrote: post #22

I really want to try DMT but terrified to do that without professional help nearby e.g. on an Ayahuasca retreat. I have experienced both LSD and shrooms but have heard DMT is on another level.

DMT is far less risky than LSD and Shrooms. It lasts 10-15 minutes and you are mostly in awe of what you experience. Lsd/shrooms give you hours to self reflect in good or bad spots and entangle your thoughts in good or bad spots... i’d say DMT is far easier to experience than a full on acid trip

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by tudorw » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

rollerboi wrote: post #9

azmenak wrote: post #7

Title is inaccurate, this study used intravenous DMT, as opposed to Ayahuasca which is a oral concoction of DMT and an MAOI. Interesting nonetheless.

Agreed that it's interesting nonetheless. I've been "joking" with my friends that I want to take a trip to Costa Rica to do Ayahuasca with them. The "story" of how Ayahuasca came to be is quite fascinating: Ayahuasca, the drink, is actually comprised of two plant-based ingredients. One of the ingredients supplies the "DMT" portion, but the effects would last a very short time (something like 20 seconds to a couple mi…

For more on the shamans' claims that the plants communicate information through Ayahuasca experiences, see the work of Jeremy Narby, it's undeniable that the natives understanding of plants is extensive and however it was come by it's an invaluable source of knowledge that has been 'harvested' by big pharma for many contemporary medicines.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by alexanderthe- » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

rolltiide wrote: post #26

blotter_paper wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brilliant man, but he also believed in the luminiferous aether.

so did Plato and Aristotle, so why the "but"

What is the difference between luminiferous aether and the electro-magnetic field?

Edit: Context

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by vokep » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:24 PM UTC

shawnz wrote: post #30

deckar01 wrote: post #12

> The present study’s findings significantly advance our understanding of the brain basis of one of the most unusual and intense altered states of consciousness known – previously likened to dreaming... This study does not "find that DMT produces a dream-like state"; that was already well established. This study identifies the subtle brain activity that differentiates the hallucinations from dreaming. > This experien…

Contrary to popular opinion I haven't found DMT to be that much different than any other psychedelic drug when comparing equivalent doses. Sure it's true that while high on the drug it creates experiences that feel real, but that's true of dreaming too, isn't it? It's not obvious that it wasn't real until it's over. And similarly I have had the same feeling from high doses of "plain old" psychedelics.

The difference is rarely do people wake from a dream and feel they ought to change their life in major ways as a result.

Curious what "high" doses of "plain old psychedelics" might be? I've never gone further than 200ug LSD.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by wopila » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:27 PM UTC

Obviously. Indigenous people who have been working with plant medicines for thousands of years (medicine people) understand all of reality to be a dream, and the physical dreaming state to be nothing less but the travel of one's spirit away from one's body, which results in the expansion of one's awareness.

Good to see progress in connecting what has been understood forever through experience with physical analysis, one must however not be fooled into thinking that one will understand anything about plant medicines by analyzing their physical effects -- what happens here starts on a much deeper level.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by LinuxBender » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

noodle_face_ wrote: post #23

deckar01 wrote: post #12

> The present study’s findings significantly advance our understanding of the brain basis of one of the most unusual and intense altered states of consciousness known – previously likened to dreaming... This study does not "find that DMT produces a dream-like state"; that was already well established. This study identifies the subtle brain activity that differentiates the hallucinations from dreaming. > This experien…

I've tried explaining this to people who've never tried psychedelics. It is unlike any other substance I've ever tried (a lot of them, FWIW) in that it leaves you with lasting impressions. Some things I gleaned tripping have stuck with me to this day. It has changed me for the better.

Is it true that multiple people tripping on it at the same time, in different rooms, see the same things, events and even people in their trip? I've never tried any psychedelics, but if there were any truth to what I have heard, it would be a fascinating topic to study while monitoring brainwave activity.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by zwieback » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:41 PM UTC

rollerboi wrote: post #9

azmenak wrote: post #7

Title is inaccurate, this study used intravenous DMT, as opposed to Ayahuasca which is a oral concoction of DMT and an MAOI. Interesting nonetheless.

Agreed that it's interesting nonetheless. I've been "joking" with my friends that I want to take a trip to Costa Rica to do Ayahuasca with them. The "story" of how Ayahuasca came to be is quite fascinating: Ayahuasca, the drink, is actually comprised of two plant-based ingredients. One of the ingredients supplies the "DMT" portion, but the effects would last a very short time (something like 20 seconds to a couple mi…

I heard there's a lot of barfing involved - made it seem kind of unappealing.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by shoes_for_thee » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:43 PM UTC

sixQuarks wrote: post #24

undefined3840 wrote: post #22

I really want to try DMT but terrified to do that without professional help nearby e.g. on an Ayahuasca retreat. I have experienced both LSD and shrooms but have heard DMT is on another level.

I don't see how DMT can be on another level. LSD is already in another dimension. How much more freaky can it get?

Quite a bit.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by pfundstein » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:45 PM UTC

LinuxBender wrote: post #36

noodle_face_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried explaining this to people who've never tried psychedelics. It is unlike any other substance I've ever tried (a lot of them, FWIW) in that it leaves you with lasting impressions. Some things I gleaned tripping have stuck with me to this day. It has changed me for the better.

Is it true that multiple people tripping on it at the same time, in different rooms, see the same things, events and even people in their trip? I've never tried any psychedelics, but if there were any truth to what I have heard, it would be a fascinating topic to study while monitoring brainwave activity.

If you're asking whether DMT facilitates some kind of metaphysical communication, the answer is no.

However, it's possible that a common environment or shared experience before or during the trip could seed similar or related experiences.

Re: Neural correlates of the DMT experience assessed with multivariate EEG

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Post by riversflow » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 10:45 PM UTC

sixQuarks wrote: post #24

undefined3840 wrote: post #22

I really want to try DMT but terrified to do that without professional help nearby e.g. on an Ayahuasca retreat. I have experienced both LSD and shrooms but have heard DMT is on another level.

I don't see how DMT can be on another level. LSD is already in another dimension. How much more freaky can it get?

For me: LSD is like the walls of reality melting before your own eyes. Mushrooms is like you mind melted with a wild animal. DMT is like your consciousness melts with your imagination.