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John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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I don't understand how he could contribute to the field of AGI research from home, by himself, and maybe with his son. It's the kind of problem that requires incredible amounts of data, hardware, and theory to make any progress. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to join a cutting-edge team, like DeepMind or OpenAI?

My view is that you want many people working independent from each other towards the same goal, and that everyone working in one group could hinder creativity/lead to groupthink

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Progress in AI is due to data and computational power advances. I wonder what kind of advances are needed for AGI.

1. Biological brains are non-differentiable spiking networks much more complicated than backpropagated ANNs.

2. Ion channels may or may not be affected by quantum effects.

3. The search space is huge (but organisms aren't optimal and natural selection is probably local search)

4. If it took ~3.8b years to get from cells to humans, how do we fast-forward:

* brain mapping (replicating the biological "architecture")

* gene editing on animal models to build tissues and/or brains that can be interfaced (and if such interface could exist how do we prevent someone from trying to use human slaves as computers? Using which tissues for computation is torture?)

* simulation with computational models outside of ECT (quantum computers or some new physics phenomenon)

Note: those 3.8b years are from a cell to human. We haven't built anything remotely similar to a cell. And I'm not claiming that an AGI system will need cells or spiking nets, most likely a lot of those are redundant. But the entropy and complexity of biological systems is huge and even rodents can outperform state of the art models at general tasks.

IMHO, the quickest path to AGI would be to focus on climate change and making academia more appealing.

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

#34
>Runner up for next project was cost effective nuclear fission reactors, which wouldn’t have been as suitable for that style of work.

I can't tell if he was serious about that comment or not... Considering he builds rockets with free time, it could go either way.

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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I don't understand how he could contribute to the field of AGI research from home, by himself, and maybe with his son. It's the kind of problem that requires incredible amounts of data, hardware, and theory to make any progress. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to join a cutting-edge team, like DeepMind or OpenAI?

John Carmack is practically a machine.

He's openly talked about his work ethic in a bunch of places. He's the type of guy who after a life time of coding calculated he's 100% efficient up until 13 hour work days and then he drops off[0]. Although he did mention working those long hours is often best working on multiple things instead of 1 topic but maybe with AGI there's a bunch of different avenues to explore.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&t=4773

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

#37
This is so vague as in borderline sarcasm. Okk, it’s AGI but really, what is it? Reinforcement learning? Combining symbolic AI with modern advances? Deep learning theory? AGI is a vacuous term. And no one knows which path would lead to something similar to human intelligence. That itself is a matter of research.

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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post #37

This is so vague as in borderline sarcasm. Okk, it’s AGI but really, what is it? Reinforcement learning? Combining symbolic AI with modern advances? Deep learning theory? AGI is a vacuous term. And no one knows which path would lead to something similar to human intelligence. That itself is a matter of research.

The things you all listed are possible pathways to the goal. All he said is he wants to start working toward the goal. This guy is serious business, he's never been one to spew BS. He's a real deal, no bullshit computer scientist with leagues of novel accomplishments under his belt.

I wouldn't bet against him when he sets his mind to something.

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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post #37

This is so vague as in borderline sarcasm. Okk, it’s AGI but really, what is it? Reinforcement learning? Combining symbolic AI with modern advances? Deep learning theory? AGI is a vacuous term. And no one knows which path would lead to something similar to human intelligence. That itself is a matter of research.

Which is presumably the research he intends to do over the next few months? E.g. reading around the subject to determine where best to focus his efforts.
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