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Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by maxerickson » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:16 PM UTC

jypepin wrote: post #18

stevesimmons wrote: post #9

Nonsense! The actual Dutch cure for stress is to claim you have "burnout" (they use the English word), and then take 6 months off work while being paid 80% of your salary. Honestly, after working for 6 years in the Netherlands, I don't know of another country that has such good working conditions [1], while having so many people in low stress professional jobs taking time off for burnout. There seems zero social or p…

This. I worked in the NL for 3 years and this was the hardest thing to accept / adapt to when I arrived. The Dutch have a completely different approach to work, which to us American, could seem like they just don't care. I still remember dealing with a real estate agent (known to usually be hustling in US) who wouldn't work weekends or after hours to have us visit a house we wanted to buy. Nonsense! :) And I also kno…

How is the compensation for the real estate agent structured?

The housing market there is so tight I would think they don't really need to ever chase a buyer.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by dsr_ » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:18 PM UTC

The headline needs an editor.

"Dutch cure" is a euphemism for suicide. A competent editor would, I hope, have caught that.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by geitir » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:18 PM UTC

theraido wrote: post #13

"people who live closer to the coast, like many Netherlanders do, report better physical and psychological health than those farther inland." The whole randstad area (near the coast, with all the major cities) has more jobs, wealth, opportunities and such..

Chicken and the egg case quite possibly

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by Kaotique » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:20 PM UTC

stevesimmons wrote: post #9

Nonsense! The actual Dutch cure for stress is to claim you have "burnout" (they use the English word), and then take 6 months off work while being paid 80% of your salary. Honestly, after working for 6 years in the Netherlands, I don't know of another country that has such good working conditions [1], while having so many people in low stress professional jobs taking time off for burnout. There seems zero social or p…

I worked in the same IT company for many years now and wile it's true that many people have experienced burnout and had time off. It really depends on the situation if they come back or not. In the Netherlands they have to offer a permanent contract after 2 years in the same company. If you experience burnout before you have a permanent contract then usually the person leaves the company. But if you are there longer, have a permanent contract and play an important role in the company then you usually return step by step, slowly increasing your hours and days back to normal over the period of a couple months. Just taking 6 months off without a return schedule sounds like a scam to be me and for most employers would put you on the track out.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by davidw » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

I wrote about how my bike helps me think, a few years back: https://journal.dedasys.com/2015/04/20/the-bicycle-a-thinkin...

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by allsunny » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

i wonder how much of the feeling is being outside vs just getting exercise.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by Kaotique » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

stevesimmons wrote: post #9

Nonsense! The actual Dutch cure for stress is to claim you have "burnout" (they use the English word), and then take 6 months off work while being paid 80% of your salary. Honestly, after working for 6 years in the Netherlands, I don't know of another country that has such good working conditions [1], while having so many people in low stress professional jobs taking time off for burnout. There seems zero social or p…

Working part-time has become very accepted here in the Netherlands. And that is not only women but more and more men started working part-time now. Especially 32 or 36 hours is very popular.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by bbddg » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:32 PM UTC

stevesimmons wrote: post #9

Nonsense! The actual Dutch cure for stress is to claim you have "burnout" (they use the English word), and then take 6 months off work while being paid 80% of your salary. Honestly, after working for 6 years in the Netherlands, I don't know of another country that has such good working conditions [1], while having so many people in low stress professional jobs taking time off for burnout. There seems zero social or p…

Exactly, most American workers don't have the luxury of taking an hour out of their day to go for a bike ride.

Another key difference in the Netherlands is that 84% of workers are covered by a collective bargaining agreement.

Workers coming together to make demands from Capital is the only way to achieve these working conditions.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by DavideNL » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

_oxvh wrote: post #27

stevesimmons wrote: post #9

Nonsense! The actual Dutch cure for stress is to claim you have "burnout" (they use the English word), and then take 6 months off work while being paid 80% of your salary. Honestly, after working for 6 years in the Netherlands, I don't know of another country that has such good working conditions [1], while having so many people in low stress professional jobs taking time off for burnout. There seems zero social or p…

> In the Netherlands, probably 30% of my Dutch colleagues had had time off for burnout at some point in their career. That sounds accurate, because a report released just this week found that about a third of all Americans suffer burnout in their jobs[0]. At least the Dutch are doing something about it. [0] https://www.studyfinds.org/the-new-normal-over-a-third-of-am...

14% of the Dutch have burn-out symptoms (1 out of 7) according to:

Dutch newspaper: https://www.volkskrant.nl/de-gids/hoe-opgebrand-is-nederland... which cites : https://www.volksgezondheidenzorg.info/onderwerp/overspannen...

Note that having burn-out symptoms is not equal to 100% burn-out and unable to work.

Re: A Simple Dutch Cure for Stress

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Post by conceptme » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

theraido wrote: post #13

"people who live closer to the coast, like many Netherlanders do, report better physical and psychological health than those farther inland." The whole randstad area (near the coast, with all the major cities) has more jobs, wealth, opportunities and such..

The air is much more polluted in de grandstand, I doubt they will have better physical health.