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Cheap zinc/manganese battery being developed commercially

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Re: Cheap zinc/manganese battery being developed commercially

#31

Energy density per $ is not the metric for new transportation storage. Its kWh/pound that's critical. They don't mention it?

Aren't some modes of transportation less sensitive to overall capacity or weight?

I can imagine trains can be extra heavy, and scooters might require less overall energy capacity.

Re: Cheap zinc/manganese battery being developed commercially

#32
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what "woo" means in this context? I've seen it used a lot lately, but it's new to me.

Reading the sibling link, it looks like this person is using "woo" incorrectly in this context. Good science/technology often has failed outcomes (which isn't woo). I'm also presuming the University of Adelaide isn't practicing pseudoscience.

Eh, it's definitely a loose/sarcastic usage of the word, but it works for me.

Re: Cheap zinc/manganese battery being developed commercially

#33

Zinc/manganese has been around for decades; in fact, it's the standard issue disposable battery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_battery "An alkaline battery (IEC code: L) is a type of primary battery which derives its energy from the reaction between zinc metal and manganese dioxide." The new permutation which allegedly ups the energy density and allows it to be safely recharged supposedly uses a different el…

Rechargable alkalines have also been around for several decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_alkaline_battery

Re: Cheap zinc/manganese battery being developed commercially

#34
For many years now at least once a week there has been an announcement of a breakthrough new battery technology that is going to revolutionize energy storage. But in spite of all these purported breakthroughs, we are still stuck with li-ion (though it has been improving steadily).

I think it would be nice if there was a site that tracked all these announcements, that is had a listing of all of them and how each has done in the following years.

Re: Cheap zinc/manganese battery being developed commercially

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post #17

If anyone's interested here's an actual company selling a real Zinc-air product: https://eosenergystorage.com/about-eos/ Two largest downsides of this technology are: 1. Round-trip efficiency of 75%. 2. Low power density. Cost and cycle life are great though - should be great for grid storage.

75% isn't great, but if solar continues its 70 year exponential trend of dropping by half every 3-4 years for another two decades, then round-trip efficiency may not much matter in the long run. Too, the 75% is at 100% Depth of Discharge - it may be better at lower total discharge. Lifetime 15 years / 5,000 cycles is almost perfectly balanced for one full cycle per day (5,475 days in 15 years). Doesn't give the price, though, so hard to calculate cost per cycle. https://eosenergystorage.com/products-technology/
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