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We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by yycfoofoo »

Disruptive_Dave wrote: post #16
Nursie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will society actually be different afterwards? Please be specific in your answer. I've seen this sort of utopian thinking any number of times. If only everyone could just take a trip man, we would all live in love and harmony! Except it's either just vague pipedreams and semi-mystical aspiration, or it's something more solid like communal living that in general disintegrates in the cold light of day.

My two cents - psychedelics can open your mind to a new way of processing information and thinking about your daily existence. Anecdotally, it's happened to me over the last 11+ years (not through psychedelics, but through other spiritual practices like meditation). The result is that I'm less angry, less judgmental, less likely to fly off the handle. Much better at processing information, removing clutter (bullshit)…

perhaps a "state of chill"? nothing fancier that to be kind, be cool, and be able to put yourself in others' shoes for a second.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by soylentcola »

LukeWalsh wrote: post #30
LukeWalsh wrote: post #29

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WOW now I’m even more confused on how Latin is different from Greek. I should not be listened to when it comes to the words.

Fuck your burn!

It was better next year.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by Sileni »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #19
eagsalazar2 wrote: post #17

This story is fiction? Man I did not get that until I googled for a few of the company and individual names and came up with nothing. What are the real analogous companies? Is this story actually illustrative of the recent history and state of this industry?

On http://aurynfund.org they say they are a fund for supporting a better variety of psychedelic medicine businesses (equitable,affordable, for all) but they list no portfolio companies or otherwise no references to any such companies. Weird.

It's still a legal grey area with the way the analogue act is written. Technically, just about any psychedelic COULD be treated as schedule 1 if it's intended for human consumption, because they all have fairly similar chemical structures and activity profiles. Best not to give prosecutors an easy list to run down if you're interested in furthering the cause.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by Nursie »

Disruptive_Dave wrote: post #16
Nursie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will society actually be different afterwards? Please be specific in your answer. I've seen this sort of utopian thinking any number of times. If only everyone could just take a trip man, we would all live in love and harmony! Except it's either just vague pipedreams and semi-mystical aspiration, or it's something more solid like communal living that in general disintegrates in the cold light of day.

My two cents - psychedelics can open your mind to a new way of processing information and thinking about your daily existence. Anecdotally, it's happened to me over the last 11+ years (not through psychedelics, but through other spiritual practices like meditation). The result is that I'm less angry, less judgmental, less likely to fly off the handle. Much better at processing information, removing clutter (bullshit)…

well firstly, as you said, you've done this without the aid of psychedelics, so I'm not sure it's exactly an answer to my question!

And secondly, well that's not exactly a societal change. Has it made you ready to ditch capitalism?

(edit -- I'm sure your change in mindset is a positive thing, I'm not disputing that. I'm also not disputing that psychedelics can have a profound effect on individuals. But as someone who has used a fairly wide variety of psychedelics over a number of years, I've also experienced and observed that they can induce a false sense of the deeply profound. They do also seem to leave people with this idea they could change the world, but they never really seem to know how)

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by bananatron »

basq wrote: post #11

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong. What's the difference between psychedelics and…

There are significant differences between psychedelics and anti-depressants, both mechanically and when it involves long-term treatment planning and monetization.

Although research is quite limited due to regulatory constraints, John Hopkins has particularly interesting research on the subject (https://hopkinspsychedelic.org), with ongoing trials.

I think you're right about the shamanic ideal - at its current state, this doesn't seem to be the kind of treatment you can scale through the form of a pill.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by xekc »

> What vision do you hold in your heart for a psychedelic future?

"Psychedelic" is mind-manifesting and I see freedom of self expression, freedom of speech as a roadmap into the future, not only the narrow medical/therapeutic context. Healing is important but it excludes people that would self-assess themselves as healthy - so, most people.

While flying up to space to see Earth rotating under could be therapeutic and heal your depression, awaken a completely different borderless understanding of Earth as one whole - becoming an astronaut is not an adequate medical practice at this point, it involves a number of risks, depending where every person is to begin with.

Statistical prevalence of schizophrenia is 1.2% and it's often not diagnosed - so every 1 out of 100 people is a very high risk case that even best, most experienced professionals sometimes can't handle (check out what went on with Olivia Arevalo).

Like diving, rock climbing, base jumping, surfing - most safe psychedelic sessions will rely on other people who are more experienced and can help beginners in person. There is no app that could replace a PADI instructor 10m below water surface.

I think all business models of the future should factor high risk in and model scuba diving or rock climbing - our consciousness is very fragile and psychedelic trauma is real.

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Post by api »

empath75 wrote: post #20
basq wrote: post #11

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong. What's the difference between psychedelics and…

A psychedelic church would just end up being a tax-dodge for drug dealers probably.

A church as a tax-dodge for drug dealers is not a new thing.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by kylek »

I've recently become a certified Kambo practitioner and it may end up segwaying me into the problems posed here. I'd love to include work with entheogens (mushrooms/psilohuasca in particular), but I'm not fond of doing anything "underground". The efforts made in Oakland (and a couple of other places) are exciting; I really hope we do it right federally.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by eagsalazar2 »

Sileni wrote: post #33
eagsalazar2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On http://aurynfund.org they say they are a fund for supporting a better variety of psychedelic medicine businesses (equitable,affordable, for all) but they list no portfolio companies or otherwise no references to any such companies. Weird.

It's still a legal grey area with the way the analogue act is written. Technically, just about any psychedelic COULD be treated as schedule 1 if it's intended for human consumption, because they all have fairly similar chemical structures and activity profiles. Best not to give prosecutors an easy list to run down if you're interested in furthering the cause.

I'm still confused about to what degree this entire story is fiction or not. Just different names or do such companies actually exist? I did google (honestly only for a minute or two) and didn't find any such clinics in actual operation in SF.
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